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    Quote Originally Posted by schmalts View Post
    Keep in mind a scope with CDS doesn't need to be used as such. It's there is you want it but you don't have to turn any dial to take a shot if you don't want to.
    What are rough prices for a CDS and the equivalent non-CDS Leupold scope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBass View Post
    Also a great learning experience when one moves without you knowing it, or forgetting to return to zero...
    Shooters and not shooters I guess. Dialing isn't for everybody, but if you get comfortable, it's fine. And most new dials have a zero lock feature, and a turret lock. mtmuley

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    This being a thread about the CDS, my post was specific to it. The CDS scopes I used to have came with neither of those. The MOA dials I got from Leupold did have a ball bearing to hit the post and serve as a zero stop though. But they turn easier than I'd like while riding next to a pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBass View Post
    This being a thread about the CDS, my post was specific to it. The CDS scopes I used to have came with neither of those. The MOA dials I got from Leupold did have a ball bearing to hit the post and serve as a zero stop though. But they turn easier than I'd like while riding next to a pack.
    The new Leupolds have both. Guess I should have stated that. Mine don't, and I have no issues. As said, dialing isn't for everyone. It's funny to me hunters strive for flat shooting cartridges, bullets with the highest BC and Hubble scopes, but a dial is a liability to some. To each his own. All my big game rifles can spin. mtmuley

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    I really like CDS and have set up all my rifle this way now. I find the system very effective. It's important to note that all ranges I shoot at game have been verified on paper. If you do your part, the CDS works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobG View Post
    What are rough prices for a CDS and the equivalent non-CDS Leupold scope?
    You can get a vx3i with CDS for around $400. Same scope without CDS is around $80 less. You can always get a leupold without CDS, and send it to the factory later if you decide that you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigjay73 View Post
    You can get a vx3i with CDS for around $400. Same scope without CDS is around $80 less. You can always get a leupold without CDS, and send it to the factory later if you decide that you want it.
    will they do that to a VX-2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishootdasmallones View Post
    will they do that to a VX-2?
    Call the customer service...

    I don't know about the cds, but they will install an m1 on vx2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishootdasmallones View Post
    will they do that to a VX-2?
    Yes, depending on date of manufacture. mtmuley

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobG View Post
    What are rough prices for a CDS and the equivalent non-CDS Leupold scope?
    VX-3i 3.5-10X40 with CDS $359 Without CDS $320
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog0156 View Post
    I've enjoyed reading this thread as I'm torn between Mil-dots and CDS for a new scope on my .243. I use it for everything from prairie dogs to coyotes to deer. Thinking some 85 grain barnes copper bullets with the CDS might be the ticket; the 100 grain partition groups seem to open up on me downrange.
    Whatever you do donít mix the mil dot with an MOA dial. In my opinion a scope with a dial should have a reticle with matching subtensions. None of my scopes have only a dial or only a mil/moa based reticle. They all have both. I know thatís that for everyone but in my opinion there are advantages to that setup than disadvantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzH View Post
    Call the customer service...

    I don't know about the cds, but they will install an m1 on vx2.
    I just sent them an email. I am interested in the ballistically matched reticle. That might be just what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmuley View Post
    Yes, depending on date of manufacture. mtmuley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire_9 View Post
    Whatever you do don’t mix the mil dot with an MOA dial. In my opinion a scope with a dial should have a reticle with matching subtensions. None of my scopes have only a dial or only a mil/moa based reticle. They all have both. I know that’s that for everyone but in my opinion there are advantages to that setup than disadvantages.
    This kinda went over my head, I think. I'd love a PM or post for everyone in my boat so they could understand better what you are getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog0156 View Post
    This kinda went over my head, I think. I'd love a PM or post for everyone in my boat so they could understand better what you are getting at.
    I think I get it, but really dont understand why they would make a scope thats dials were in a different measure than the reticle subtensions. So I am also curious if anyone has a good reason for it. Wouldnt that just force you to think in both MOA and MIL? Whats the potential upside? As per the OP, even if you dont plan to use the cds system at first and stick with mpbr and getting as close as possible (which I agree 100% is the best method), for the 39 extra bucks it would cost to have it on a vx3 I would do it and learn to use it at the range. Will only add enjoyment over the long haul and with turret lock and zero stop there really is no downside. Ill be purchasing one from Schmalts here shortly myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highground View Post
    I think I get it, but really dont understand why they would make a scope thats dials were in a different measure than the reticle subtensions. So I am also curious if anyone has a good reason for it. Wouldnt that just force you to think in both MOA and MIL? Whats the potential upside? As per the OP, even if you dont plan to use the cds system at first and stick with mpbr and getting as close as possible (which I agree 100% is the best method), for the 39 extra bucks it would cost to have it on a vx3 I would do it and learn to use it at the range. Will only add enjoyment over the long haul and with turret lock and zero stop there really is no downside. Ill be purchasing one from Schmalts here shortly myself.
    You’re right, it is very stupid to mix the two but Leupold did it for years. They used to only offer moa dials and the only ranging reticle you could get was a mil based reticle. Only in the last few years have the offered a moa reticle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmalts View Post
    VX-3i 3.5-10X40 with CDS $359 Without CDS $320
    You'd be hard pressed to find a better deal than this

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmalts View Post
    VX-3i 3.5-10X40 with CDS $359 Without CDS $320
    Schmalts! Thanks for being the ultimate optics resource!
    This might be a silly question, but is there any weight difference in a scope with CDS vs. one with out it?
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    MOA turret with a mil reticle is like the following...
    -you have a pile of lumber for building a shed
    -your building plans are all metric
    -your tape measure is standard
    Now build the shed as fast as you can, before the lumber bounces into the forest or the wind shifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishootdasmallones View Post
    I really like CDS and have set up all my rifle this way now. I find the system very effective. It's important to note that all ranges I shoot at game have been verified on paper. If you do your part, the CDS works.
    I always respect the guy that takes the time to verify at long range on paper and not just trust his CDS dial or drop charts from a ballistic app. I do the same and have great confidence in my shot because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulRevere View Post
    Schmalts! Thanks for being the ultimate optics resource!
    This might be a silly question, but is there any weight difference in a scope with CDS vs. one with out it?
    Can't say for sure but i can say any difference, if any would amount to fly shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belly-deep View Post
    I’ve come to the same conclusion as Randy. Especially after having a Leupold scope fail to track properly.

    Zero it and hunt. 300 yards is still a long ways. Go the ballistic reticle route if you need to shoot beyond that. Or if you must dial, go with a fully functional tactical scope.
    This. A reticle is a better mouse trap for hunting as far as I am concerned and for the reasons of simplicity, reliability and speed to deploy.

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