Nez Perce Hunting Rights. What do you think?

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Nez Perce tribe asserting Yellowstone hunting rights

By SCOTT McMILLION, Chronicle Staff Writer

The Nez Perce Indian tribe from Idaho is asserting its treaty-granted hunting rights near Yellowstone National Park in a large way.

The tribe told Montana officials that it wants to harvest up to 70 bison this winter, along with as many as 50 elk and like numbers of moose, bighorn sheep, mountain goats and antelope.


Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks officials scrambled Friday to figure out what the announcement means.

During a telephone conference call Friday morning with FWP Director Jeff Hagener, the FWP Commission and several staffers, nobody disputed that the tribe has the right to hunt on federal lands near Yellowstone.

That right was granted in an 1855 treaty and was exercised last year for the first time in modern history when tribal hunters bagged six bison.

However, there was considerable dismay at the number of animals the tribe wants to take this year, especially species other than bison.

For some species, like moose and goats, even finding 50 animals to kill could be difficult. For others, like bighorn sheep and antelope, finding that many animals is possible, but killing that many could decimate resident herds and set back decades of conservation work.
"This does give me some pretty grave concern," Commission Chairman Steve Doherty said.

FWP allows only two bighorns yearly to be harvested from the hunting districts around the park.

However, killing a lot of them would not be difficult: they often congregate by the dozens along roads in the Corwin Springs area.

FWP allows no antelope hunting in the Gardiner area, where a dwindling herd of 200 to 250 animals moves back and forth over the park line.

The tribe's desire to take bison drew no criticism from the commission, other than a desire to alert nontribal hunters now in the field that others will be joining them.

Elk hunting in the Gardiner area also could have an impact if the tribe decides to take lots of them.

FWP has slashed its late-season elk hunt from 2,800 permits to 174 because of a smaller elk population and poor calf survival rates.

If tribal members take a number of big bulls -- late-season tags for the trophy animals are highly coveted -- it could affect the age structure of the herd.
The tribe's announcement came Thursday in a letter from Rebecca Miles, the chairman of the Nez Perce Tribe Executive Committee.

The letter spelled out the hunt regulations the tribe "intends to implement this month" and spelled out how many permits it intends to issue to enrolled tribal members.

"The Nez Perce Tribe has authorized the 2007 Treaty Buffalo Hunt season to run from early January to the end of February," Miles wrote.

Harvest numbers could change, depending on the number of bison available, she wrote.

The tribe's treaty allows it to hunt only on "open and unclaimed" land, which is defined as national forest and Bureau of Land Management property in the greater Yellowstone Ecosystem, but outside the park.

The tribe will issue permits to enrolled members, who can be accompanied by "assistant hunters," who will be allowed to carry guns and shoot game, FWP Warden Captain Sam Sheppard said.

The hunt begins Saturday, Jan. 13, on a small scale.

Each permit for this weekend is good for one bison and up to two elk.

Sheppard said tribal wardens have issued permits for six bison and five elk for this weekend. Those wardens will police the hunt this weekend.

No animals besides the bison and elk can be harvested this weekend, but the future remains an open question.

"This is the first round," Sheppard said.

The FWP Commission on Friday passed a resolution calling for FWP officials, including biologists, to sit down with tribal officials and explain that some species cannot handle the harvest level the tribe is considering.

Commissioner Victor Workman called on FWP and Gov. Brian Schweitzer's office to take a strong stance with the tribe.

"We cannot allow them to decimate a species," Workman said. "And we cannot have them thumb their noses at the sportsmen across Montana."

Hal Harper, Schweitzer's chief policy adviser, noted that Miles' letter said the tribe wants to work with Montana and that so far, there is "no cause for great alarm."

"I would be hopeful that we could work this out," he said. "I don't think it's time to issue any threats."

"The tribe supports more collaborative rule-making on buffalo hunts to reduce or mitigate potential areas of conflict and promote successful sportsmen and treaty Indian hunts," Miles wrote, adding that she appreciates FWP efforts toward "open dialogue and candid discussions."

Doherty said he is hopeful the tribe will back off on its plans once officials understand the situation. The Nez Perce tribe has been a key player in restoring salmon runs, he said, and understands the sustainable harvest of wildlife.

FWP needs to "impress on them the fragility of a number of big game populations in that area," Doherty said.

Schweitzer's staff urged a measured response.

"We're not going to assume the worst, and we're not going to overreact," said Mike Volensky, a natural resources aide for Schweitzer.

He said he hopes for a face-to-face meeting between Montana and the tribe before next weekend's hunt.

"I think we're at the point where we hope for the best and plan for the worst," Commissioner Shane Coulter said.

Bob Lane, chief lawyer for FWP, said he and the Attorney General's Office are looking into treaty rights law to see what options might be available.

Montana's Confederated Salish Kootenai Tribes have similar treaty language, but have decided not to hold a hunt near Yellowstone this year, Sheppard said.

Nez Perce tribal officials could not be reached for further comment Friday.
 
I would say "Let them have um"

Problem is, our news media would find some spin to put on the subject that the poor Indian ran out of game in the area not because they killed every thing, but because some other entity the white man owns did them in

It would be good though to put a some thing up for the world to see the reasons why whole species in the area all of a sudden became extinct
 
The tribe could care less about the effects their hunting will have on populations. MT screwed up last year by letting them buffalo hunt and now will get to deal with them forever. Maybe it will keep some pressure off wintering elk in the Lochsa and every other area near here in September. They are also going to start commercially harvesting steelhead in the Clearwater and Snake rivers as well.
 
I don't think this new opening will take the pressure off of any where, they will just utilize this area also

There just isn't enough room for them to run amuck in the world any more

and they don't practice "one with the Earth" any more, so are just utilizing a loop hole provided by some "unethical lawyer" sucking funds as usual
 
I'll bet you find wealthy 'hunters' paying for the priviledge to be an 'assistant' if allowed to continue.
I have grown tired of this and similar issues. No more free rides. Period.
Or when you come off of your reservation, you will be required to show a passport for the Indian Nations, valid for travel within the U.S. You will be required to carry enough cash as to not be a burden on the country. International import and export laws will be applied. Save your casino $$ because you may be too lazy to farm or drill for oil and these items will become very expensive to purchase across the border. There will be no more breaking U.S. laws and then running back to the Res. for sanctuary. You will be running into the arms of the U.S. Border Patrol. Work permits will be required for all international workers. Harvest all of the game you want on your side of the fence, catch all of the fish, smoke all of the peyote, drink all of the fire water. Perhaps when you overutilize your resources you can apply for statehood, and be declined.
 
Nez Perce Hunting Rights. What do you think?

I think it's Bull chit. Put on a Loin cloth and use a Hand made bow then have at it. Bull chit to drive around in a $40,000 new Ford talking about "One with the land". Not PC ? Kiss my White ASS !!!
 
I don't think they should be able to hunt game off of their reservations without following the state's rules!
 
Sounds like it's going to be just like it is here in Washington, with all the indian tribes killing off all the big bucks and bulls while they're on their winter range.

They say they're doing it to feed their families. Why then are they shooting all the animals with the biggest antlers. :confused: |oo
 
1 pointer, if you look at the first paragraph these were treaty negotiated rights. It may or may not be on rez land, but they were given the right to hunt these lands in exchange for living on a rez.

Moosie, should we hunt with Bow and muzzel loader because that is how the white man did it when he first came west ?

Nick, watch what you wish for in regards to enforcing rules off the rez. There are many roads that lead some where we all want to go that run right through a rez. many times that is the only way. They could shut down access to their land as well. There is some tremendous hunting on the Colville rez. that the white guy can do. IE ducks pheasant quail hun just to name a few.

I am not saying every thing they do is right. Or every thing we do is right. But they have gotten the sharp end of the stick in the ass a few too many times.

I know that many of you dont see it that way. That is your right and mine. I wish them luck, but to hopefully work with the Biologist in not over harvesting any one species.
 
Moosie, should we hunt with Bow and muzzel loader because that is how the white man did it when he first came west ?

No we shouldn't. We have Laws restricting our seasons for that exact reason. If those Arrow flipping poaching bastards want to use a rifle, Stick with the Seasons set by the law.

If I and others could use a Recurve and hunt year round and kill as many critters as I seen fit, you think there would be a Lick of Big bucks left in Idaho ?

I would have less grief with this issue if it was true tribal members wanting to get food. Heck, I don't have huge grief if a White man Poached a doe deer if they utilize it. I jsut see Big bucks dieing for no reason.

It's the same with the fishing. They drape nets accross the rivers, catching all the fish to sell on the Side of the road. they say they need money.. Most of them are selling it out the back of a $40k truck. Need money ? I say Bull CHIT !!!

But they have gotten the sharp end of the stick in the ass a few too many times.

Ahhh cry me a river... That would be like a black man saying he's had slavery in his ancestors and needs compensation. Bunch on malarky !! Like a White man saying his parents got a raw deal on Social security... WHAAAAhh.. I see the Gimmi gimmi Coco puff all over, White, blacks, indians. I think people should work. Lazy A$$, non working, give me a free ride becasue My parents parents parents got a bum deal is BS.

Like you said, we all have our opinions, and thats mine. Hope it's clear ;)
 
It may or may not be on rez land,
It's damned near in Yellowstone Park! I agree with the others, these hunting 'rights' were granted at a time when they did need them to eat. That is not the case anymore.
 
The right to hunt all unclaimed lands is a issue we worked here in Western Montana, alot of Federal lands were purchased with tax dollars and put into the Forest Service, Alot of Blm lands were too. So those lands should no longer be under the unclaimed lands proclamation of the treaty. US citizens bought them. Without the laws that pertain to sportsman and woman I believe as Moosie that they should hunt the way they did when the treaty was written, with handmade bows and chipped broadheads, spears and cliffs.

We went to a permit only area for mule deer to bring the bucks back, the Flathead, Salish Indians caught on and now they hit the Big Buck early before our bow season begins. We also use to have 20 moose tages in the east Fork of the Bitterroot now 10 the Indians can afford the gas to come down here now and put a big stain on our moose pop, They can shoot anything they want (tradition pop) I don't believe they can shoot the sheep in the east fork as there was no population left, these that are there now are from a new population restocked by white eyes. The moose were hit so hard in Rock creek that the Fish and game drastically cut back sportman tags to allow the population to come back. They also asked the Indians to give em a break. The game wardens started fighting back by watching the natives hunt, if they shot from the road, citation, any of the basic laws they had to abide by. The game wardens wrote them up for shooting from established roadways alot. I think that the roads they use in August and Sept. should be closed that way no or limited access would save a few animals from Indians,( they just don';t get to far from a road). Open them for hunting season when we all get the same opportunity at the same time.

Also I think that the diffinition to be Indian was downgraded because the tribes were shrinking, so I think now all you need is 2% blood to have the rights. (Might be wrong though).
 
According to todays paper they aren't having much success with the bison as they can't seem to find any to shoot from the road. The paper also stated they are "hunting" some lands that are not open to hunting by the general public, are not following the state rules other hunters are, and the only rules that are really being applied is not driving off road.
 
only rules that are really being applied is not driving off road.

Then close more roads......... :D True indians would jump on a horses back and go Tomahawk a Buffalo !!!!! ;) Now a day injin's want to shoot one from their Ford F150 |oo :BLEEP:
 
I do.. But Equally I hate Mexicans, blacks and White people that think we owe them soemthing. I think more peopel should be like the Illegal Imagrants and work for the stuff they get :D :D
 
the blackfeet down on fort hall will allow me to hunt on the res for 512.00 per year.(waterfowl only)i dont know about big game.
Times have changed. All of the original participants are gone and we are all now born into the same country with the same opportunities. it's time we quit giving handouts to people who never claimed ownership of land in the first place.
I think if an old women needs meat or fish someone should be able to harvest it for her-any race-but, does taste good too,and rabbits, and hares, and suckers, and chubs,etc.
 
Oscar, you dont think the Native Americans have gotten the screws a few too many times? It would take me weeks to post all the documents and court fillings submitted by the Navajo in New Mex. just in the last 5 years alone dealing with the poisons left behind after the uranium mining. That was to be left as it was before mining.

We could go on for years with all the shit they have been delt.

I think one reason so many white people bitch about the Native rights is because they are jealous of a lot of their rights to hunt. You can like it or not. This right was given to them by our fore fathers. Just like the right to bear arms was.. Now if they found a loop hole to hunt some other ground that may or may not be Reservation, so be it. If you found some loop in the tax law, you wouldnt use it ???

Oh By The Way, I am 1/4 Nez Perce. Why do you think I support a lot of what they do...
I didnt say everything. And Guess what... I got a job and work for what I have.. All Native are not the same person. SO what one does doesnt go for what all do....
 
I would like to add a little to this fire

There are no indigenous peoples on the planet in the history of man that have the rights the peoples of this country have

They have always been melded into the society that takes them over

There may be some thing to letting history repeat itself instead of the social engineering that has taken over this country

Doesn't seem to be working on any level it's tried
 
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