Alaskan's....Care to Comment on This?

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Updated: 7:04 p.m. MT Feb 12, 2007
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - A fight is brewing over hunting of the famous McNeil River bears, known for offering humans the world's best glimpse of life in the wild as they feast on salmon and fatten up for the long Alaska winter.

While the McNeil River State Game Sanctuary is off-limits to hunters, the Alaska Board of Game wants to allow hunting on 95,000 nearby acres the bears also use, outraging supporters who consider them far too familiar with humans to be fair game.

"Those bears are world famous. Their numbers appear to be in decline," said Dave Bachrach, a bear viewing guide. "Until they know why, how can we open the back door and allow hunters in to kill some more?"

The game board, appointed by the previous governor, Frank Murkowski, said it was acting at the behest of hunters in the village of Naknek about 100 miles away when it decided to clear the way for a fall hunt on state land near the sanctuary.

The board's chairman, Ron Somerville, said the sanctuary was created to protect bear viewing — not individual bears.

"It was never designed to protect the bears wherever they wandered," he said, adding the state constitution requires that game be managed for the maximum benefit of all Alaskans.


Hunting groups divided
Rod Arno, executive director of the Alaska Outdoor Council, which is a strong advocate for hunters' rights, favors the new rules, disputing the theory that the McNeil River bears are so used to humans it would be unsporting to hunt them. Once the bears leave the falls near the viewing area and venture outside the sanctuary, they are as wily as other bears, he said.


"Having guided there personally, I know that those bears that frequent the McNeil Falls, once they are away from that site they are just as leery as any bear that I have guided," he said.

Opponents are presenting the seven-member game board with a slew of proposals, some calling for the board to reverse its decision. The proposals will be voted on at a meeting scheduled for March.

Another group representing hunters, the Alaska Professional Hunters Association Inc., said the bad publicity stings, rendering the game board's decision risky to the reputation of hunters.

"From our point of view, the allocation or opportunity to harvest a minimum number of bears is not worth the negative feedback," said the association's director, Bobby Fithian.

Hanging out at the falls
In the peak weeks each summer, the McNeil River Falls draw more brown bears to one place than anywhere else in the world. While numbers have been decreasing in recent years, the bears still put on a good show as they snatch salmon from the river, tend to their young and tussle in the water within feet of gravel areas set aside for limited numbers of humans chosen by state lottery to watch them. The record number of bears observed there at one time was 72 in 1999

There's Teddy. She's so tolerant of humans she will nurse her cubs just 10 feet from the platform next to the falls.

"A bear like Teddy is invaluable," said Larry Aumiller, who led groups to the platform for three decades as sanctuary manager. "She is so good, so tolerant. In a way, she's worth 10 other bears."

Controversy over the new hunting rules prompted him to quit and move to Montana.

"To be honest, it was so heartbreaking I just couldn't be around it," Aumiller said.

While brown bears are not in short supply in Alaska — the state has 35,000 to 45,000 of them — the McNeil River bears are considered special because of how close they will safely come to humans and how many gather at the falls.

Humans get in via lottery
The state created the sanctuary four decades ago to preserve that special bear viewing opportunity, which is doled out to about 250 lucky people via the lottery. In 1993, a refuge was established to the north, providing the bears with another buffer of protection. To the south is Katmai National Park, where no hunting is allowed.

The McNeil River bears range throughout the region, using areas to the west and north where hunting is permitted. They also use the 95,000 acres in dispute — land that has been closed to brown bear hunting for more than 20 years. Some of the McNeil bears use that land for their winter dens, Bachrach said.

"Alaska has plenty of places where brown bears can be hunted without involving lands surrounding the McNeil River State Game Sanctuary," he said in a proposal urging the game board to keep the disputed land closed to hunting for another 10 years.

The McNeil River bears aren't like any other and are worth protecting, Aumiller said.

"We are exposing those bears to a danger that they have not been allowed to learn exists," he said. "I think that is wrong."
 
Controversy over the new hunting rules prompted him to quit and move to Montana.

"To be honest, it was so heartbreaking I just couldn't be around it," Aumiller said.

the ultimate "I'm taking my ball and going home"........

I thnik there is a new Peta Member in the works.
 
Wonder what the new Montana transplant Aumiller thinks about the pending griz delisting in Montana? Are the bears that spend part of the year in Jellystone or Glacier going to be off limits to hunting as well in his opinion?
 
The legendary (and often misquoted) Sun Tzu once advised never getting into a fight you cannot win.

That said, pushing for this one is a loser for hunters in the long term.

Getting to hunt "McNeil" bears in adjacent areas is not worth the bad press it will generate.
 
I think the guy will likely move to the Northwest part of Montana and learn to squeal like a pig...
 
It was stated on the news that most of the bears that visit McNeil to eat come long distances to get there, in and out of open hunting area's. Personally, I think it was a mistake in the first place to have ever opened that place up to bear viewing, they should have left it alone and let the bears do their thing but the damage has been done. I don't believe the bears are "acclimated" to humans, more like tolerant IMO. Eventually someone's going to do something stupid and they will get injured or maybe even killed, then whats going to happen? They need to close down McNeil to viewing and let the bears be but unfortunatley that won't happen because of the tourists dollars it generates.
 
That's what I was afraid of. Nut jobs and huggers like Turdwell have won the war. So should Montanan's and Wyomingite's lay down and surrender when the urbanite media goes after our planned grizzly hunts here? Heck, why don't we all just get a lopadickoff surgery and take up knitting. Pusses!
 
This is nothing but politics as usual. The bunny hunger SOB's make me so sick:BLEEP: . If they had there way the whole state of Alaska would be one big wildlife refuge with no hunting allowed. Those bears are not tame, not even close! They are just used to seeing humans around the falls. You go anywhere else in that area and those bears will skull FxCK you like any other Browny.hump The sad thing is hunters will bow out of this fight because it's not worth 5 tags a year! Like most other states our Fish and Game sucks ass. First and for most they don't have the BALLS to stand up for the decisions they have made. I guess nobody cares about the villages near there that are over run by a rampant population on brown bears concentrated in area they are safe. Lets all remember that the sanctuary is not a sanctuary for bears. It is a sanctuary for you to view bears and wildlife. The bears just frequent this area because of the concentration of salmon running. Just like any other river in the state. The main difference is that it has a pretty little waterfall in it so the bunny hunger creeps can have a pretty background for there bear photos. Go on little Johnny go stand by the bear he won’t hurt you he is tame!!!!! :eek:

P.S
Tredwell wasn’t a good Samurai that’s why they had to remove his camera from his ass after the bear face raped him!:eek: His girlfriend must have figured frying pans work good for dealing with willy tame brown bear.:rolleyes:
 
Whoa there Ted,
I empathize with your frustration but...our F&G sucks? I'm sorry but I call BS on that. The problem with our F&G is their not sufficiently insulated from the politics of resource allocation and management.

Considering the vastness of the state, the diversity of game and fish populations, constitutional limits on policy AND budget constrainst...I'd say the ADF&G does an honest, scientificly based job of manageing our F&G.

As far as the political problems surrounding the McNeil bear viewing sanctuary...watching bears draws a lot of tourist dollars and politicians L O V E money. Besides its a potential PR blackeye for us..."they" already own the "tame bears" sound bite, and we're already out-gunned and out-spent on this one.

IMO better to gather our forces for something we can win.
 
Erik

You hit the nail on the head. I dislike most of all that they don’t have a back bone. If the science supports those bears needing to be taken to help improve the population health and also protect the people, then it should be taken care of.
 

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