I saw this buck alive in 07 hunting with my brother, couldn't believe my eyes. He was a huge fork on three. With 8 4" eye guards on the ball and 4 6-8" eye guards on the other side. The other side has 8 6/8" mass what's left he was still in velvet in late rifle with a big sway in his back mid October. My uncle found this in 2012 same late rifle. I wasn't far from him when he found it. Pretty sweet find on his part he tried to give it to me but I didn't find it so he kept it.