Didn’t even know this was still a thing!

[MuleyMB]

I say the mile milk THUG challenge, Dial, hold for wind, breathe squeeze!!

 

[noharleyyet]

30-30 lever guns in the Utah execution if I remember correctly.

QQ

True, and 5 live rounds of 150 grain Win Silver Tip...no blank

Gary Gilmore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[OntarioHunter]

True, and 5 live rounds of 150 grain Win Silver Tip...no blank

Gary Gilmore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ooooh. Silvertips no less. Not leaving anything to chance. Probably needed a spatula to put Gary in the box. Lever action 30-30 is an odd gun for prison issue. Better than an M-16 I guess.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

It's the same principle. The condemned cannot be executed twice without receiving a second sentence ... which would require a second trial for the same offense. Double jeopardy. There are numerous cases of muffed executions where the condemned survived. Hangings come to mind. That might be why "hang by the neck till you are dead" became the sentence. Also, in the old days if the condemned's family didn't pony up a tip for the executioner, he would employ the "slow drop" and the poor bugger would be strangled ... hopefully. Sometimes robust individuals survived. The Polish court that tried the former camp commander at Auchwitz sentenced him to die by "slow drop." The executioner kicked the chair and I seem to recall they left him on the camp's gallows for a couple of days just to be sure he was dead.

There has never been a case where the 5th amendment has been used to successful stay execution from a botched attempt.

The general principle though is, Death is the sentence, if you didn't kill them the sentence was never carried out, the state is not giving them a second trial for the same crimes.

Typically if an attempt has been botched it's argued that the punishment is cruel and unusual, and therefore unconstitutional.

There are numerous examples of prolonged executions, 90+ min lethal injections, multiple rounds of fire with a firing squad, multiple rounds of electrocution, but those prisoners never left "the chamber"

These are the only 2 examples, in the US, which is the jurisdiction we are discussing, that are applicable. In both circumstances a second attempt was ordered and in the case of Getter carried out.

Ohio Supreme court ruled that the state could attempt to execute Broom a second time.

https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2016/2016-Ohio-1028.pdf

Charles Getter - 1833 was hung twice, second successful in PA

There is the case of Doyle Hamm, in 2018... that one is super political and complicated, but essentially he was given a deal for life in prison.

There has never been a case where some has been set free after a failed execution based on a 5th amendment argument.

 

[Bob-WY]

Given today tools, why not automate this to remove the human aspect, 5-6 guns, computer controlled, all with bullets RFID chip pinned over the heart. Multiple computers "control" the guns, but only one does it. Multiple people push the computer key, bang, dead bad guy.

 

[MarvB]

The condemned cannot be executed twice

But…can anybody really be executed twice?

 

[Stocker]

There has never been a case where the 5th amendment has been used to successful stay execution from a botched attempt.

The general principle though is, Death is the sentence you if you didn't kill them the sentence was never carried out, the state is not giving them a second trial for the same crimes.

Typically if an attempt has been botched it's argued that the punishment is cruel and unusual, and therefore unconstitutional.

There are numerous examples of prolonged executions, 90+ min lethal injections, multiple rounds of fire with a firing squad, multiple rounds of electrocution, but those prisoners never left "the chamber"

These are the only 2 examples, in the US, which is the jurisdiction we are discussing, that are applicable. In both circumstances a second attempt was ordered and in the case of Getter carried out.

Ohio Supreme court ruled that the state could attempt to execute Broom a second time.

https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/0/2016/2016-Ohio-1028.pdf

Charles Getter - 1833 was hung twice, second successful in PA

There is the case of Doyle Hamm, in 2018... that one is super political and complicated, but essentially he was given a deal for life in prison.

There has never been a case where some has been set free after a failed execution based on a 5th amendment argument.

I’m always up for a challenge.

 

[Laelkhunter]

Given today tools, why not automate this to remove the human aspect, 5-6 guns, computer controlled, all with bullets RFID chip pinned over the heart. Multiple computers "control" the guns, but only one does it. Multiple people push the computer key, bang, dead bad guy.

How much would all of that hi tech gadgetry cost? 5 or 6 minimum wage Prison guards, and a couple deer rifles= same result, less $$$