Stealing access in the Crazies
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Southern Elk
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Total BS. The law on corner hopping needs to be overturned as well. That would allow us hunters to access OUR lands.
Schaaf
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Don't think it's ever happened in MT. I think the only way for us to get an answer would be for someone to be cited for it and then fight it all the way up.
We face a pretty uphill battle constitutionally and politically on corner crossing. The access specialist position currently being advertised from DNRC is a good approach this issue. That person ideally will be able to negotiate with landowners, etc to ensure access remains.
RobG
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On my onXmap trail 115 starts on Big Timber creek at about the FS boundary. From there it heads north, crossing public and private land, and eventually gets to Sweet Grass Creek.
Seems like the FS has the documentation necessary to back this claim up. If they want to sue, then folks need to pony up to PLWA so they can intervene and have their lawyers kick some butt.
RobG
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Maybe others know better, but if pushed I assume the legislature could pass a law clarifying that corner crossing is illegal.
I would be willing to consider land swaps to help access here and elsewhere, but not good elk habitat for rocks and ice.
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Southern Elk
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I missed out on shooting one of four nice bulls last fall because I didn't corner hop. Looking back I don't know what I would have done if given that opportunity again. I felt like they might throw the book at me since I was a non resident.
Southern Elk
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The PLWA seems like an organization that more of us should be supporting.
brownbear932008
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I am very familiar with this area access is tough in tough country also. The langus family are some super nice folks. I do wish the whole corner crossing issue would be solved. But in this particular case the way I read it and what I know of the area it's not so much of a corner cross issue as it is the maps showing trails right through the middle of private. Is that right? There are several of these trails I've found on east side of this range such as these two that go right through private lands and are numbered fs trails.
RobG
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Yes, right through the middle of private.
300stw
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corner crossing? is this a good topic to respond or should it be in a new topic, I don't know, but , I do know of several places in eastern Montana where the state lands office has Surveyed? but driven steel posts in the ground at the corners of property, some are on blm state corner interface and private on the other two corners. on one side of the post the little sign says state land other side of the post says blm land, I use my onx in these areas and it seems pretty close to me, I asked the local warden, state lands office, blm ranger on there opinions. to me the state is inviting crossing at that point from state to blm, during my calls last year not one person said they were willing to write a ticket unless landowner demanded a trespassing charge and then it was up to local judge on how to proceed,
at this point in this area I would corner cross if I felt the need, and deal with the court system, once the local courts makes a decision it would seem that would be the precedent, good or bad,,,
at this point in this area I would corner cross if I felt the need, and deal with the court system, once the local courts makes a decision it would seem that would be the precedent, good or bad,,,
2ski
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I don't like the corner crossing thing. But I don't know how to solve it. The argument against corner crossing is how do you corner cross without trespassing? A person would have to cross the fence onto private ground and then cross the fence to get back into public. Someone else will have to explain how you could cross without setting foot on private ground and trespassing. Now say you could actually corner hop without doing so. How will you get an animal that you are dragging, over that corner without having to get on to private land or dragging it over his fence and stretching it from the weight of a heavy animal? .
However, no LEO sees someone on land and gives them a trespass ticket without having the landowner ask. So a landowner would have to ask to have you ticketed. It was mentioned the legislature could do something about it if they wanted to. Didn't the legislature decide not to make it legal the last session? I know it was discussed at least.
However, no LEO sees someone on land and gives them a trespass ticket without having the landowner ask. So a landowner would have to ask to have you ticketed. It was mentioned the legislature could do something about it if they wanted to. Didn't the legislature decide not to make it legal the last session? I know it was discussed at least.
Southern Elk
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If it's fenced, it does present more of a challenge to cross without stepping on private land. In many places it's not fenced and you can step from one section to the section that it corners without stepping on private. Some will argue that you are trespassing on the private's airspace, but you didn't actually step on the private land.
elkantlers
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If private landowners say the public has to prove there is an easement through private land to have continued access, The land owner should have to prove that I stepped on their property during corner crossing.
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