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    Any possibility this opens "tribal hunts" for non tribal hunters outside Reservation land - via tribal hunting license - permits?
    A common use for the "Rich and Famous" outside the typical U.S. / State regulated hunting season. The Apache and Navaho Tribes are pretty involved in the NM and AZ area... Of course the cost is some 15-25k...
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    Not all tribal hunts are that much money

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    The only thing the crow have worth paying to hunt is bear and maybe antelope.
    I am unsure how it is not part of their culture to kill these animals themselves but acceptable to take whiteman to kill them.
    Either way.. if bear hunting is your thing, they have the best in the state. Maybe in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytes View Post
    Any possibility this opens "tribal hunts" for non tribal hunters outside Reservation land - via tribal hunting license - permits?
    A common use for the "Rich and Famous" outside the typical U.S. / State regulated hunting season. The Apache and Navaho Tribes are pretty involved in the NM and AZ area... Of course the cost is some 15-25k...
    Highly unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belly-deep View Post
    Yeah it is pretty sad how little wildlife you see on the 7 reservations in MT. I donít know how it is in other states, but if MT tribal hunting management is any indication, wildlife is in for a rough patch if Wyoming loses this case.
    There is a complete lack of management. Elk season is year round and no limit. Buffalo require a permit, but often obtaining a permit is ignored. Antelope are shot down and killed like prairie dogs and left to rot. I could go on and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWALKER77 View Post
    Assuming 75% of crow hunters are ethical is a huge mistake. I worked on the reservation for a period time and seen pics of the slaughter. I could tell you about them but you wouldnt believe me.
    It's also worth noting that the reason the crows hunt the border of wyoming is because the interior of the reservation is a dead zone.
    Some speculation on my part. Some of the elk from WY 38/39 winter to the north. The elk start seeing their friends and relatives tip over every time they hear a bang. So they retreat south. The folks who generate the bang followed the elk without regard of any regard for tribal of governmental boundaries. (You live there. So you know where they are)

    There is a reason why WYO GF reduced the number of tags in 38. And it was not because of hunter take in WYO during the fall. (Excerpt from WYOMING JCR report)

    "Population

    We do not have a spreadsheet model developed for this herd unit because: 1) we do not manage
    this herd based on a post-season population objective; 2) this is an interstate elk herd; and 3) up
    to 25% of this herd migrates onto the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana each fall, where
    harvest is unregulated and unmonitored. We manage this herd based on mid-winter trend counts.
    Elk generally winter in traditional areas within this herd unit and we likely count 70-90% of
    wintering elk in any given year."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWALKER77 View Post
    There is a complete lack of management. Elk season is year round and no limit. Buffalo require a permit, but often obtaining a permit is ignored. Antelope are shot down and killed like prairie dogs and left to rot. I could go on and on.
    I have no doubt you are right, and we have come along way, but its still hard to hear a non-native lecture natives about the senseless slaughter of plains animals without cringing a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingsGuy View Post
    I have no doubt you are right, and we have come along way, but its still hard to hear a non-native lecture natives about the senseless slaughter of plains animals without cringing a little.
    Yep, I spend 4 days per week on the Fort Peck Indian Reservation. I have opinions on their game management but largely keep them to myself.
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    Sure hope Wyoming is victorious.
    " There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." - Theodore Roosevelt
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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingsGuy View Post
    I have no doubt you are right, and we have come along way, but its still hard to hear a non-native lecture natives about the senseless slaughter of plains animals without cringing a little.
    Really?

    Because being born well after the 1800's I have absolutely ZERO to do with any of that. So now I can't hold an opinion on all those dead bucks I find in the Fort Peck Reservation coulees while I'm pheasant hunting? Or the fact that I can count on one hand the number of deer I've seen on the Blackfeet Reservation while driving through it for the last 25 years? Poached and left to rot? Hunted nearly to local extinction?

    Sorry, not gonna keep from forming an opinion because of white guilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belly-deep View Post
    Really?

    Because being born well after the 1800's I have absolutely ZERO to do with any of that. So now I can't hold an opinion on all those dead bucks I find in the Fort Peck Reservation coulees while I'm pheasant hunting? Or the fact that I can count on one hand the number of deer I've seen on the Blackfeet Reservation while driving through it for the last 25 years? Poached and left to rot? Hunted nearly to local extinction?

    Sorry, not gonna keep from forming an opinion because of white guilt.
    Good point. Shouldn't let racism erode clear perspective on this or any other issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belly-deep View Post
    Really?

    Because being born well after the 1800's I have absolutely ZERO to do with any of that. So now I can't hold an opinion on all those dead bucks I find in the Fort Peck Reservation coulees while I'm pheasant hunting? Or the fact that I can count on one hand the number of deer I've seen on the Blackfeet Reservation while driving through it for the last 25 years? Poached and left to rot? Hunted nearly to local extinction?

    Sorry, not gonna keep from forming an opinion because of white guilt.
    Never said you killed a bison in the 1840s, never said you cant' hold an opinion, never said you couldn't count deer from the road. In fact I agreed with the assertions of BWalker, just tried to say that we all should carry a little history, humility and empathy with us when we seized the high moral ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingsGuy View Post
    In fact I agreed with the assertions of BWalker, just tried to say that we all should carry a little history, humility and empathy with us when we seized the high moral ground.
    Well on moral issues, I'd tend to agree. But biology should be fact and science based, and I don't have any room for morals in that realm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo and Ned
    Thin out their numbers

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    Conservation and Game Ethics should rule the future.We all would benefit Hands down game management is the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belly-deep View Post
    Well on moral issues, I'd tend to agree. But biology should be fact and science based, and I don't have any room for morals in that realm.
    When "morals" are at play we need to double our attention towards humility and empathy - what's happening in the reservations in 2019 and how we got their over the last 150 years has extremely little to do with biology. The eco-morality of 2019 in the US and Europe is a rich man's game, and few of our reservations are well positioned in that respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VikingsGuy View Post
    When "morals" are at play we need to double our attention towards humility and empathy - what's happening in the reservations in 2019 and how we got their over the last 150 years has extremely little to do with biology. The eco-morality of 2019 in the US and Europe is a rich man's game, and few of our reservations are well positioned in that respect.
    I'm not even sure what all that means, but this is my last post on the subject.

    I think our herds need to be managed for healthy age classes and populations as close to the carrying capacity of the land as possible. If that can be done while offering natives all the off-reservation hunting opportunity they want then that is great. But based off what I have seen, I do not trust Montana tribes to keep themselves in check if state management ceases to exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo and Ned
    Thin out their numbers

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    How many times do the sons have to pay for their fathers indiscretions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
    How many times do the sons have to pay for their fathers indiscretions?

    ClearCreek
    Indefinitely evidently.

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    The other thing worth noting is that Mr. Herrara IIRC cut the head off the elk he left in wyoming and left the rest of it to rot. It's also worth noting that at the time he was a Crow Tribal so called game warden.
    Last edited by BWALKER77; 01-11-2019 at 08:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWALKER77 View Post
    The other thing worth noting is that Mr. Herrara IIRC cut the head off the elk he left in wyoming and left it to rot. It's also worth noting that at the time he was a Crow Tribal so called game warden.
    At the time he was the game warden supervisor for the Crow tribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
    At the time he was the game warden supervisor for the Crow tribe.

    ClearCeek
    'bout par for the course...
    " There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." - Theodore Roosevelt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve O View Post
    So they get all the rights and privileges of a United States citizen, and all the rights and privileges of ANY states citizenship (no nonresident draw, no non residents WY Wilderness restriction), AND all the benefits of the Indian Nation.

    Nice deal. They must have had a HUGE advantage at the negotiating table. Ridiculous.

    I expect that they had no idea what things would be like 150 years later.

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    Change. Adapt. Innovate. Improve. Evolve. Survive.

    I am a parent. I relocated from the Midwest to the West where knew no one. But, lots of opportunity awaited. Would have been very comfortable to stay in the Midwest near family and school buddies. I wanted a better life for my kids.

    I never quite accept the parent in inner Chicago where a murder takes place daily and someone is shot every hour staying put in that neighborhood.

    I never quite accept the reasoning of a parent staying on a reservation where substance abuse and assault spans generations in some families. I work with a man 75% Crow and 25% Lakota. His parents left and he benefited as did his siblings and the parents. They go back each summer to visit cousins and he sees what could have been his outcome if parents had stayed. Handout arrives, spend, wait for next handout. Education is not a priority. The weak are preyed upon. Corruption and special treatment are the norm.

    New day, same old crap in some places. To stay and complain about the 1800s or 1900s seems like the guy pushing the boulder up the hill for eternity. A lot of effort hating the system but no lasting results. Tomorrow will likely be just as crappy as yesterday while years pass as are waiting for someone else to fix the issues. Generational failure in families, often by 100% of each generation.

    Again, Change. Adapt. Innovate. Improve. Evolve. Survive.

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    Will be interesting to follow the outcome of this one. Lots of solid analysis on here. Refreshing since on a lot of hunting websites discussion about this kind of issue quickly results in racial banter

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    Quote Originally Posted by LopeHunter View Post
    Change. Adapt. Innovate. Improve. Evolve. Survive.

    I am a parent. I relocated from the Midwest to the West where knew no one. But, lots of opportunity awaited. Would have been very comfortable to stay in the Midwest near family and school buddies. I wanted a better life for my kids.

    I never quite accept the parent in inner Chicago where a murder takes place daily and someone is shot every hour staying put in that neighborhood.

    I never quite accept the reasoning of a parent staying on a reservation where substance abuse and assault spans generations in some families. I work with a man 75% Crow and 25% Lakota. His parents left and he benefited as did his siblings and the parents. They go back each summer to visit cousins and he sees what could have been his outcome if parents had stayed. Handout arrives, spend, wait for next handout. Education is not a priority. The weak are preyed upon. Corruption and special treatment are the norm.

    New day, same old crap in some places. To stay and complain about the 1800s or 1900s seems like the guy pushing the boulder up the hill for eternity. A lot of effort hating the system but no lasting results. Tomorrow will likely be just as crappy as yesterday while years pass as are waiting for someone else to fix the issues. Generational failure in families, often by 100% of each generation.

    Again, Change. Adapt. Innovate. Improve. Evolve. Survive.
    You said it much better then I could.

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