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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzH View Post
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    I’m really disappointed in Rinella’s decision to participate in this hunt. He owes his audience an explanation on his podcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brymoore View Post
    I’m really disappointed in Rinella’s decision to participate in this hunt. He owes his audience an explanation on his podcast.
    You aren't the only one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wllm1313 View Post
    Rogan and Cam or Rinella... I don’t think any hunt Rinella has done other than the Tok sheep, have been in a hard to dry unit and only a couple were on private, the vast majority are on public and easy to draw.
    Off the top of my head- Gila elk, Kentucky Elk, SE Washington elk, Afognak elk, Musk Ox.

    Has anyone written Steve about this yet? It is incredibly disappointing to see him involved with the hunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy11 View Post
    Has anyone written Steve about this yet? It is incredibly disappointing to see him involved with the hunt.
    I wrote to Meateater. They said they’d consider it as a topic of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM77 View Post
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    Never heard of her

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    Quote Originally Posted by brymoore View Post
    I’m really disappointed in Rinella’s decision to participate in this hunt. He owes his audience an explanation on his podcast.
    I'd agree.
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    your only as good as your last ball game with some of you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trial153 View Post
    your only as good as your last ball game with some of you guys.
    Interesting observation.
    Joe Blow hunter decides to make his fun his business, and his business becomes the public's business.
    How many times have we seen once-average/unknown-now-reknown hunter fall from grace over this or that. Darner, Zumbo, countless outdoor TV host types.
    When Leopold talked about hunters having no audience for his/her activities..... Well an audience is the new normal.
    Tough business.
    No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trial153 View Post
    your only as good as your last ball game with some of you guys.
    Ain't that the truth.

    Perhaps Steve had a reason for going on the hunt other than to just shoot an antelope? He is a hunter and a journalist as well, and has made a career out of dipping his feet in many aspects of the hunting world most folks will never experience, including having conversations with unpopular politicians and non/anti-hunters. Knee-jerk reaction has always served the hunting industry well though, carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy11 View Post
    Off the top of my head- Gila elk, Kentucky Elk, SE Washington elk, Afognak elk, Musk Ox.

    Has anyone written Steve about this yet? It is incredibly disappointing to see him involved with the hunt.
    Fair point, although with the exception of Kentucky and SE Washington, I think a non-resident as a fair chance of drawing all of the hunts Steve goes on in their lifetime. You are correct though some are hard to draw, or prohibitively expensive to a lot of folks, that being said the premium tags are balanced with lots of OTC hunts in the 62 episodes of Meateater and 8 of wild within there are only maybe 7 or so 10% that I don't think I would ever be able to make happen. I think my point was more that if you are a passionate hunter and play the game you can hunt where Steve does, same thing with Randy. Which is what makes there shows relatable.

    On the other hand Joe Rogan and Cam seem, my knowledge of all there hunts is limited, to mostly go on private land high dollar hunts... on a 90/10 ratio rather than 10/90.

    Looks like Cody Lujan, a first lite prostaffer, participated as well would be interested to see what both of them were thinking. Kinda wonder if they saw it more as an opportunity to network with some powerful individuals, not that that makes it better or worse in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onpoint View Post
    Interesting observation.
    Joe Blow hunter decides to make his fun his business, and his business becomes the public's business.
    How many times have we seen once-average/unknown-now-reknown hunter fall from grace over this or that. Darner, Zumbo, countless outdoor TV host types.
    When Leopold talked about hunters having no audience for his/her activities..... Well an audience is the new normal.
    Tough business.
    No thanks.
    I'd say that comparing Steve to any of the TV hosts that have taken a dive is a huge stretch. He took part in a hunt that is legal (I'm not saying it's right or ethical) and committed no crimes. His audience is huge and it's definitely not on the downhill.

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    Zumbo, one example, committed no crime(s). He merely spoke his mind. The infraction is in the eyes of the beholder with things such as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wllm1313 View Post
    Fair point, although with the exception of Kentucky and SE Washington, I think a non-resident as a fair chance of drawing all of the hunts Steve goes on in their lifetime. You are correct though some are hard to draw, or prohibitively expensive to a lot of folks, that being said the premium tags are balanced with lots of OTC hunts in the 62 episodes of Meateater and 8 of wild within there are only maybe 7 or so 10% that I don't think I would ever be able to make happen. I think my point was more that if you are a passionate hunter and play the game you can hunt where Steve does, same thing with Randy. Which is what makes there shows relatable.

    On the other hand Joe Rogan and Cam seem, my knowledge of all there hunts is limited, to mostly go on private land high dollar hunts... on a 90/10 ratio rather than 10/90.

    Looks like Cody Lujan, a first lite prostaffer, participated as well would be interested to see what both of them were thinking. Kinda wonder if they saw it more as an opportunity to network with some powerful individuals, not that that makes it better or worse in my mind.
    Cam grew up backpack hunting the wilderness. He has put himself in the position to go on these high dollar hunts by promoting himself and getting out and hunting. I don't fault him for hunting private. He has the opportunity to do that because of his self promotion and the image he has built for himself. If he wants to hunt private then that's his choice.

    Rogan can do whatever he wants when it comes to hunting. He has the biggest podcast available and has a pile of money. He may not be the most educated guy when it comes to hunting, but he is 100% a good thing for hunting. His audience is a lot of non hunters and him portraying hunting in a positive light is good for the sport.

    This forum has a lot of very educated people, but we need to realize that the majority of hunters don't even know about issues like the One Shot hunt. Steve is very educated and when he speaks people listen. The OneShot hunt is a bad look for Steve, but very few people even know it exists let alone hold it against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onpoint View Post
    Zumbo, one example, committed no crime(s). He merely spoke his mind. The infraction is in the eyes of the beholder with things such as this.
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    Zumbo was largely ostracized by the firearms industry, not the consumers of his product. Point taken though.

    Usually seems the opposite, lots of personalities/industry types didn't break ties with the Wildgame Innovations D-bag when he took his foray into poaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnage2011 View Post
    Cam grew up backpack hunting the wilderness. He has put himself in the position to go on these high dollar hunts by promoting himself and getting out and hunting. I don't fault him for hunting private. He has the opportunity to do that because of his self promotion and the image he has built for himself. If he wants to hunt private then that's his choice.

    Rogan can do whatever he wants when it comes to hunting. He has the biggest podcast available and has a pile of money. He may not be the most educated guy when it comes to hunting, but he is 100% a good thing for hunting. His audience is a lot of non hunters and him portraying hunting in a positive light is good for the sport.

    This forum has a lot of very educated people, but we need to realize that the majority of hunters don't even know about issues like the One Shot hunt. Steve is very educated and when he speaks people listen. The OneShot hunt is a bad look for Steve, but very few people even know it exists let alone hold it against him.
    Agree.

    Rinella seems like a very balanced guy, and I would really like to hear his take on his participation with that event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless Range View Post
    Agree.

    Rinella seems like a very balanced guy, and I would really like to hear his take on his participation with that event.
    I would too. To be fair I think he should get Buzz on that podcast.

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    I think this week, there might be something coming from Meateater on this.
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    For the record, Steve's participation in that hunt hasn't tarnished my opinion of him or what he does, and I made that clear in the email I sent. I hold him in very high esteem for a number of reasons. There had to be some reason to participate in the One Shot, something that I can't see or understand at this moment. But I am sure it was thoughtfully considered and will most likely make a lot of sense once explained. May not be enough or valid for some people, but life is a series of complicated choices and sometimes there's no great decision to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtraverdavis View Post
    For the record, Steve's participation in that hunt hasn't tarnished my opinion of him or what he does, and I made that clear in the email I sent. I hold him in very high esteem for a number of reasons. There had to be some reason to participate in the One Shot, something that I can't see or understand at this moment. But I am sure it was thoughtfully considered and will most likely make a lot of sense once explained. May not be enough or valid for some people, but life is a series of complicated choices and sometimes there's no great decision to be made.
    Yes, I too would have to thoughtfully consider participating in a hunt event that requires I be guided, won't allow shooting sticks or bipods, excludes women, holds stag events, has a closing event for the losing team where they identify as Indian women and takes away 80 antelope licenses, in hard to draw areas, from hunters like those on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM77 View Post
    Yes, I too would have to thoughtfully consider participating in a hunt event that requires I be guided, won't allow shooting sticks or bipods, excludes women, holds stag events, has a closing event for the losing team where they identify as Indian women and takes away 80 antelope licenses, in hard to draw areas, from hunters like those on this forum.
    Yeesh. Alright. I guess I forgot just how bad it was. Well it will be interesting to hear what he has to say if he speaks on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JM77 View Post
    Yes, I too would have to thoughtfully consider participating in a hunt event that requires I be guided, won't allow shooting sticks or bipods, excludes women, holds stag events, has a closing event for the losing team where they identify as Indian women and takes away 80 antelope licenses, in hard to draw areas, from hunters like those on this forum.
    It serves to benefit the wealthy, influential, and powerful. Rinella is two of those. Thats why he participated. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that is all there is to it. He did it because he can.

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    What is this event you all are speaking of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HONEYBADGER View Post
    It serves to benefit the wealthy, influential, and powerful. Rinella is two of those. Thats why he participated. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that is all there is to it. He did it because he can.
    I just don't know about this. Obviously I don't know the guy from Adam, but Steve has never seemed like the kind of guy you described above. Hopefully I'm right because, thus far, he has been a very solid hunting ambassador.
    Do more with what you've been given.

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    To be fair, the one shot website shows past participants to include representatives from Weatherby, Ruger, Cabelas, and Coors. Shall we extend the witch hunt to include them?

    https://oneshotantelopehunt.com/notable-shooters/

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    Quote Originally Posted by HONEYBADGER View Post
    It serves to benefit the wealthy, influential, and powerful. Rinella is two of those. Thats why he participated. Right, wrong, or indifferent, that is all there is to it. He did it because he can.
    I know some people that certainly qualify as 2 of those, and probably 3 depending on your definition of wealthy, and they took a pass on the invite.
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