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    Well, let the air out of that balloon! I would say that is the source to end all speculation... Leave it to the gent who researches the hell out of everything. Cheers, Bret. Good find.
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    How infuriating. The two biggest anti public lands actions have been met with a slap on the wrist. This is going to send some signals for sure.

    Not to sound like a guy who wears a foil hat. But what interest does a New York real estate mogul have in western public lands? It almost makes you wonder what kind of dirt the Utah delegation has on him to make him so beholden to their interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    Oh yeah? How's the economy where you live? Here, it's booming. Never been better and unemployment is at an all time low.
    Economics wise around me a whole bunch of farmers, ranchers and dairy producers seem pretty worried that a trade war is going to kill the overseas business they make most of their money off of. I bet I know how most of them voted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTone View Post
    Economics wise around me a whole bunch of farmers, ranchers and dairy producers seem pretty worried that a trade war is going to kill the overseas business they make most of their money off of. I bet I know how most of them voted...
    Some folks in WA are a bit nervous as well.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/12/gov-...p-tariffs.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    That's your opinion, and only your opinion. My opinion is he's a great man, best president ever, and most honest president in my lifetime.

    We dodged a bullet when he got elected. Without him Hillary would have been elected and our country as we know it ruined. You should be grateful for President Trump and stop trash talking him.

    Wake up and quit watching CNN.
    I really don't want to derail the thread any further, but this had me laughing my ass off this morning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchy View Post
    I really don't want to derail the thread any further, but this had me laughing my ass off this morning!
    Another Hillary lover, huh? Unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTone View Post
    Economics wise around me a whole bunch of farmers, ranchers and dairy producers seem pretty worried that a trade war is going to kill the overseas business they make most of their money off of. I bet I know how most of them voted...

    Oh well. Everything doesn't always work out perfectly for everyone. I'm very happy to finally have a president who puts America first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    Another Hillary lover, huh? Unbelievable.
    Live it up WH...you're on life support.

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    Having explained why I find a part of this an interesting human behavior exercise, it appears many folks here want to contribute to the WWE style of debate that the partisan-loyalists find useful. I'm gonna let this thread run its course. It will serve as the evidence for who I should delete from this forum and who is mature enough to actually have an adult discussion without getting their feelings hurt.

    So, knock yourselves out. Just don't be surprised if some of you find your passwords not working when I get back to civilization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    Oh well. Everything doesn't always work out perfectly for everyone. I'm very happy to finally have a president who puts America first.
    And America's public lands last....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentD View Post
    And America's public lands last....


    I'm not sure what he's done that's bad for public lands. First and foremost the most important thing is the economy and national security. If those things are good the public lands will be just fine.

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    Nope. I can honestly say I did not vote for Hillary...nor did I vote for trump. And I did vote.

    But "most honest president of my lifetime"...... WOW! I understand sticking by your guy, especially when the alternative was Hillary but that is just an asinine statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzH View Post
    Live it up WH...you're on life support.


    Hey Buzz, I have no idea what you mean by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchy View Post
    Nope. I can honestly say I did not vote for Hillary...nor did I vote for trump. And I did vote.

    But "most honest president of my lifetime"...... WOW! I understand sticking by your guy, especially when the alternative was Hillary but that is just an asinine statement.

    How so? He's the only president in my memory who actually tells it like it is instead of speaking in politically correct mumbo jumbo. First president I can remember to actually try to do something about the illegal immigration problem. If you're one of those who thinks everything he says is a lie, you put too much faith in mainstream media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    Hey Buzz, I have no idea what you mean by this.
    WH, I try not to speak for others but in the interest in expediting the clarification so you can make a decision sooner as to how you want to conduct yourself in this thread...i think Buzz is trying to say that the way your acting, you are about to get kicked off the forum per Big Fin's post (which buzz cited).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
    WH, I try not to speak for others but in the interest in expediting the clarification so you can make a decision sooner as to how you want to conduct yourself in this thread...i think Buzz is trying to say that the way your acting, you are about to get kicked off the forum per Big Fin's post (which buzz cited).
    Okay, well thanks for the clarification. If that's what Buzz meant I am not at all worried about that. When people post things that are so obviously wrong, and when they trash our president like some have done in this thread, I'm not going to sit back and just let them disrespect our president that way. And I'm sure Randy will agree even though he's said he didn't vote for President Trump. I have to say of all the hunting forums I frequent, this one definitely has by far more members who are disrespectful to our president than any other. I'm not sure why that is but do find it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    Okay, well thanks for the clarification. If that's what Buzz meant I am not at all worried about that. When people post things that are so obviously wrong, and when they trash our president like some have done in this thread, I'm not going to sit back and just let them disrespect our president that way. And I'm sure Randy will agree even though he's said he didn't vote for President Trump. I have to say of all the hunting forums I frequent, this one definitely has by far more members who are disrespectful to our president than any other. I'm not sure why that is but do find it interesting.
    Maybe those responses are best directed through PMs as to not detract from the original posters intent of the thread. I think we've gone beyond that at this point.

    As for the hammonds any chance of prosecution for the poaching or shooting as a way to combat the pardon for arson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
    WH, I try not to speak for others but in the interest in expediting the clarification so you can make a decision sooner as to how you want to conduct yourself in this thread...i think Buzz is trying to say that the way your acting, you are about to get kicked off the forum per Big Fin's post (which buzz cited).
    Chris, do you think only WH has met expulsion criteria? Same question Buzz.

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    I find it odd that there are so many folks who want to comment thier personal believes on this! Maybe it’s just me being a military man, the local community asked for it, it went up the Chain of Command, it was reviewed ethically and legally by many folks, and then the head boss made a decision. We don’t have to like it but it is not our decision to make, it was his, and he made it. It falls with the position’s right to do so and he was elected into the position. End of story, problem is that doesn’t sell add space on the news network. It has nothing to do with a candidate who lost, or a porn star, or how fast some group can shoot 5 deer. We should be spending this energy on something we can still impact change on. This one is deader than disco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    . I have to say of all the hunting forums I frequent, this one definitely has by far more members who are disrespectful to our president than any other. I'm not sure why that is but do find it interesting.
    Of course, this in reference to a President who:

    1) Openly and repeatedly mocked and ridiculed a POW Senator
    2) Openly mocked George H Bush's campaign for humility and public service
    3) Continually makes false statements
    4) Espouses America first, while outsourcing goods through China and hiring immigrant workers for his resorts

    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
    As for the hammonds any chance of prosecution for the poaching or shooting as a way to combat the pardon for arson?
    I'm sure the statue of limitations has long since run out on the deer poaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Washington Hunter View Post
    I'm not sure what he's done that's bad for public lands. First and foremost the most important thing is the economy and national security. If those things are good the public lands will be just fine.
    They might be corporately owned, but they'll be fine.
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    noharleyyet, I'm not part of the governing branch of hunttalk, so i couldn't say what constitutes expulsion. I only reluctantly got involved to clarify what I believe buzz was saying. I then added the PM suggestion so that I could learn more about the Hammond case and read less about what I believe to be unrelated pro-trump/anti-trump banter.r38
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    Quote Originally Posted by belly-deep View Post
    Itís a check and balance, just one of the many.

    Outside the small world of HT, that is actually some pretty decent time. You usually wonít go to jail that long for meth or child/domestic abuse (unless there is serious, lasting injury). More than a few have been out of jail faster for killing someone while DUI, too.

    I realize it infuriates the HT crowd, but in the context of how we punish criminals in our society, 3 & 4 years plus a heavy amount of cash for starting a fire and poaching some deer is quite substantial.
    I agree, they didn't just get off scot-free. I wouldn't have much of a problem with commutation of the sentences. I do have a little heartburn with full pardon.

    Also, everyone should remember the Hammonds actually denounced the Malheur occupation. Completely separate issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
    Maybe those responses are best directed through PMs as to not detract from the original posters intent of the thread. I think we've gone beyond that at this point.

    As for the hammonds any chance of prosecution for the poaching or shooting as a way to combat the pardon for arson?
    Nope, a private message wouldn't serve the purpose. I want others to see that some of us support the president. They post negatively about President Trump, I'm always going to defend him. It's fine to disagree with particular things that he does, a person is never going to agree 100% with everything ANY president does. But the hateful, negative rants trashing his character are ridiculous. If you don't care for our president, fine, but everyone should at least acknowledge that we're much better off than we would be with what our alternative would have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLS View Post
    They might be corporately owned, but they'll be fine.

    That won't happen.

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