Pelican
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You’ve drawn a nanny only mtn goat tag in Colorado where mtn goats are not native. The tag is essentially OIL. Would you shoot a nanny with a kid?
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If you're willing to orphan a kid for the sake of your ego, and then give yourself the option to lie about it, then you're an asshole and shouldn't be hunting.
From a purely moral stand point I have been curious about his kinda thing, I find it interesting you cant shoot a bear cub, but you can harvest almost any juvenile ungulate. I certainly finding the idea of shooting a baby bear terrible... but why... I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on a calf elk.
If you read the book "A Beast the Color of Winter" it pretty much says that you are almost certainly dooming that kid to die a cruel death. Deer fawns and Elk calves can routinely make it without their mother, but the chance of a mountain goat kid surviving without it's mother is pretty close to zero.
So essentially you are killing 2 goats with that one shot and taking a chance at a OIL tag out of someone else's pocket.
My 2 cents.
so if i'm hunting in colorado, the biologist says the kid will be fine without the nanny by the opening of season then it comes down to opportunity
I had a "similar" situation many years ago. I was in Wyoming for archery season (whitetail). Tons of deer around. A nice doe walks by and I shoot her. As I sit there and watch her die here comes a fawn that had been following far behind. Not quite your situation, however, there are circumstances where you might not realize that she has a youngster.
good luck to all
the dog
I started this pole as this question came up the other day when I was talking with a friend about my nanny only goat tag. I mentioned that I had reservations about shooting a nanny with a kid even though I have shot cow elk with calves, etc. He agreed that it seems wrong to shoot a nanny with a kid, but neither of us could come up with an objective reason for our opinion. I also admit that I recognize how hypocritical it is for me to think this. I don’t doubt the validity of the information presented in the thread concerning goats in MT, but my situations is also quite different. The population estimate for the unit I drew has increased from 75 goats in 2003 to 290 goats in 2017. Also, the percentage of the population harvested annually in the unit from 2012 to 2015 has ranged from 12%-15%, which is much higher than the typical harvest rate (1%-5%) in many states or provinces. As goats don’t grow on trees, either kid survival is much higher or goats are immigrating from other units or both. I’m not trying to persuade anyone to change their opinion but just trying to trough out some additional information.
If you're willing to orphan a kid for the sake of your ego, and then give yourself the option to lie about it, then you're an asshole and shouldn't be hunting.
If you're trying to justify making an orphan of a kid I must direct your attention to Cushmans' post. That is you in a nutshell.