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    I had a mini-pin in college that was a GREAT wingman! Couldn't hunt for spit and I think he was racist.

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    I've been perusing websites for used shotguns and am thinking of trying something. There's an Ithaca 37 (28", fixed Modified) that's been cycled a couple of different times on an auction site. I'm thinking of putting a bid in at a few bucks over the minimum and seeing what happens. The gun looks to be in fine mechanical shape, just some normal wear from a gun it's age. Two biggest issues are the buttplate is broken and a palm sized area on the receiver has the blue gone/faded. IF I can get this for the price I bid, I'm thinking it'll make for a fun project for me and my son to share allowing the gun to truly be his. The buttplate would be replaced with a recoil pad. Probably try our hand at refinishing the wood as well. The bluing I'm not sure how to handle. I'd like to get it refinished, but not sure of: 1. a DIY job or pay to have it done and 2. whether to go with a blue or some 'higher tech' type finish.

    When looking at shotguns I've shown my son pics of old used ones, some in much worse shape than this, and asked if he liked them and he's said yes. However, I think he may just be saying about anything to get one... Couple of things I'm pondering:
    1. Should I just be less cheap and get him a new shotgun?
    2. How limited would he be with a 20ga that only allows 2.75" shells?

    The fixed choke thing is less of a concern as I've used a modified choke for 95+% of my shotgunning. Until the past few years I've just used 2.75" shells in a 20ga. However, I've not used 3" shells for both turkey hunting and pheasant hunting. If I decide to get him a new shotgun, it'd be capable of 3" shells, so making my mind up on #1 above could negate #2...

    Just typing out loud...

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    The memories you make restoring that gun will be just as important to your son as the time in the field.

    I'd opt for the project over the shiny new gun.

    I'd not feel undergunned w/ a 20 gauge & 2 3/4" shells for upland.
    get over it commies..
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    1. Now you should not be less cheap. In fact, you will be very spendy. Fixing up an old one will take much more of your time and time is much more valuable than money. It will be a perfect investment however.
    2. Not at all.

    Additionally, if you want, I'll send you instructions on how to do a quality polishing and rust blue. With some care, but not too much skill, anyone can do a true rust blue that will knock your socks off. It will take some time and effort to do it right but it's not actually hard to do at all.

    Sounds like a great project.

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    You know what my answer is to both questions.

    We will expect some project pictures.
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    My son shoots lefthanded. A whole lot more options for a right handed kid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1_pointer View Post
    My son shoots lefthanded. A whole lot more options for a right handed kid...
    Oops, I forgot you posted that earlier in the thread. No snipe hunt intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkduds View Post
    Oops, I forgot you posted that earlier in the thread. No snipe hunt intended.
    No worries. Common assumption. This search would be much easier and cheaper were he right handed. That said, he can handle a RH 870...

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    I think you are looking for a pump of the Mossberg variety. The new Ithaca 37 are not cheap...and not light. If you can find a used one that would be a nice gun too. But not functionally better than the Mossberg I don't think. I don't like the bottom only port in the Ithaca. Should a shell get jammed it's fun getting your fingers up in such a thing. But the old ithacas are nice pretty guns that are subjectively nice to me.

    Of the o/u you mentioned I had owned a silver reserve and put thousands of rounds through it. They are well balanced guns and cheap especially used. Also there used to be a savage Stevens that was also a pretty gun and a good price.

    I now own a franchi instinct. But those will just set you back a figure with a comma and like all cheap o/u had some quality control issues (at least early on).
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    In for a penny, in for a pound I suppose...

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    Will hopefully have this in hand sometime next week. Then I get to ding dong you folks for ideas for the remodel.

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    I didn't read all the responses, getting lazy in my old age.

    I went with a youth model 20 gauge Weatherby SA-08. I did it strictly from a recoil. My kids are small and sensitive and I wanted to give them the easiest gun to shoot.

    Don't go single shot 20 for most kids. Those will nock them on there arse.

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    1_pointer, I'd be happy to send you some short articles I have on refinishing stocks that were written by different gunmakers of notable repute. I'd also be willing to send you directions on doing your own rust bluing and building a boiling (not bluing) tank cheaply. You can do a professional rust blue on your first try with a little patience. I don't have and "expert's" article on polishing correctly but I can tell you how I do it.

    Heck, if you want to do a leather covered buttpad just for fun. I can help with that too. Regardless of what you do, it will be a fun project.

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    Brent- PM sent

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    The shotgun arrived. It's worn, but in pretty good shape. In fact, I'd say it's in roughly the same or better shape than the 870 I've had since I was 16. First order of business will be to replace the broken buttplate with a red recoil pad, install a lefthand safety, and replace the sight bead. Can't decide if I want to go with a KickEez or an Ithaca sunburst replica. My hangup is I can't decide if the sunburst is retro cool or tacky. The Pachmayr sporting clays pad was my first choice, but doesn't come in red any longer. I'll probably let my son decide on the site bead, but I'm leaning toward gold! It's only a few bucks more than brass. And it's gold! The wood's in pretty decent shape. Good enough that I'm wondering if I even need to bother with refinishing it. Other than the one really bad spot on the receiver, the metal's in pretty darn good shape. A few old, rust spots and some pitting. I'm thinking I'd like to refinish it, but not sure with what or how. In a bit of research, it seems that metal refinishing can be quite the rabbit hole to do down and I'm not sure how much time/energy/money I'm willing to put into that hole... All in all, the gun's in better shape than I expected as the pictures on the auction weren't very good. Might be why I got it for the price I did.

    Anyway, here are the pictures
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    It would take a lot of polishing to get that receiver back to prime. If the rust and pitting issues are not impacting function, you can look at the cold blue kits from Birchwood Casey, etc and it's a fun project for son & dad, and it's not going to impact the value.

    I don't think I'd refinish the stock. Checkering looks great and the finish isn't cracked or bubbling from what I can tell. A few scars are sexy on a working gun, IMO.

    For the buttplate - replace with the one that fits the kid. Adding an entire inch on the length of pull may be a good idea in the next few years, but I'd look to replace the original buttplate with something similar. Recoil isn't going to be noticed much at the trap range or in the field, and likely, Jr. will be wearing heavier clothes for padding anyway.

    The Decelarator in Red is my favorite pad as well. Not sure why they're so scarce anymore. The brown is nice though, and I think it would compliment this gun well.
    get over it commies..
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    The KickEez recoil pads come as thin as 15/16" or 3/4". The LOP on this is a touch shorter than the 870 he's shot well with, so I can't see that amount of change being that big of a deal. If it is, I'll shorten the stock and redo the pad. The Pachmayr sporting clays pads come in brown and black, but used to come in red. I like the looks of red and the KickEez comes in that, though a brown one wouldn't be bad either.

    Cold blue is a consideration on the receiver. Another option I've considered is a bake on finish that either resembles blueing or French Gray if I really decide to go for 'bling'. Function seems to be fine. Everything moves and works properly without running any ammo though it, so metal work is down a bit on the list.

    Wood will likely stay as delivered. It's in pretty darn good shape. And I think my son's more interested in shooting than a project....

    Either way I'm thinking we'll have fun!

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    Duracoat, etc is a great alternative to cold blue.

    Can't wait to see the photos of the kid busting roosters with his sweet new shotgun!
    get over it commies..
    JWP58

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    Nostalgia! Got my Ithaca 37 in about 1970, I was 12. My 1st gun. Hunted pheasant and grouse w it until I could afford a double in about 1995. Hoping you and your boy enjoy this one @ least as much.

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    Velveteen love in metal and wood.
    No one can go back and make a brand new start, however anyone can start from now and make a new ending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pabearhunter View Post
    Single shot 20 gauge. He will kill more game with it then any other shotgun. Once he figures out that he has ONLY one shot he will be deadly !
    ^^^This^^^
    Single shot shotguns are quite cheap and very safe for a new hunter. I started my son off with one when he was about 10 years old and it really did teach him to pick his shot carefully and make it count.
    When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money.

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    Did you try shooting it? Another good option for site beads on shotguns might be to remove it completely:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr8bawana View Post
    ^^^This^^^
    Single shot shotguns are quite cheap and very safe for a new hunter. I started my son off with one when he was about 10 years old and it really did teach him to pick his shot carefully and make it count.
    They can be safe, but they are also cheaply (poorly) made. I have the one I started with. It has twice fired without a trigger pull. It was fixed after the first event, but did it again shortly after. It is a gun I can't sell, can't use, don't trust. I keep waiting for one of those gun buy-backs so I can soak them for a $100 or so. Maybe I'm overly cautious but I don't trust cheap singleshots and good singleshots are hard to find, expensive and usually dedicated trap guns not suited for the job here. That said, looks like the pump gun is at hand, and a it is a good candidate for restoration if wanted.

    My suggestion for the butt would be to consider a simple thin buttplate for now to keep the stock short, but as the boy grows, you could add the thicker buttpad and get some extra length that he will need eventually.

    You could do a leather covered buttpad - why not go overboard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentD View Post
    why not go overboard?
    Because I'm cheap, lazy, and generally short on time due to all the boys' activities. Though a leather covered pad would be skookum! We'll see where this rabbit hole leads...

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    Good luck on your project. If you feel like cutting a corner on the metal polishing you can buy a mossy oak graphic kit and lay camo vinly over it. It's $30 for the kit compared to $300ish to get it dipped. I did this for my shotgun because even though I do take good care of it, it rusts easy, is vary noticeable against the finish, and I hate seeing it. So far the wrap has lasted me 3 seasons, but I'll probably change it for next season. It has a couple small tears from use.

    Oh and as a left handed shooter that still loads and does everything else in the world right handed....my shotgun is a Browning BPS my dad bought for me when I was 13.

    https://www.amazon.com/Mossy-Oak-Gra.../dp/B005P7CL6O
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