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    Glad to hear the trip went well. I think your observations are spot on with what I've found. Most importantly I'm glad you're getting a second opinion. It may be the same outcome but it never hurts to double check on serious things such as a joint replacement. Good luck on the next segment of your elk hunt
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    Here's my update. I thought long and hard about the xbow and decided I didn't want to deal with the flak i'd get from other hunters. I have a short fuse and i'm way too old to get in a fight now.

    So, i'll stick to the old Hawken, PRB, and real black powder. Old school enough for me. With my crap vision I have to get within 25-30yds. So, now it's me who can rag on the inline guys taking 200yd shots. Not that i do, but the option is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElkStalker View Post
    So, i'll stick to the old Hawken, PRB, and real black powder. Old school enough for me.
    Sounds like a plan! Watch Randy's "Fear the Beard" antelope hunt...

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    i've never had anything personally against crossbows, to each his own, i own a Stryker 350, which for the most part is a high maintenance piece, so i've been sticking to my my compound for the last few seasons. the positive side of a crossbow is it gives people more opportunities to hunt, where either through age, past injuries, physical abilities or a different season. when used properly they do well with being able to make an ethical kill. if one is inclined to invest in a crossbow, be prepared to lay out some serious cash and definitely invest in either a Excalibur or a Tenpoint. since crossbows have been made legal to hunt with here in NJ, those 2 brands i've just mentioned rarely if ever have any issues, i've talked to many archery pro shop personnel and all have told me the same thing.

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    Sytes, I'm with you. With a medically disadvantaged Archer they qualify.
    Preloaded, mounted scope, shot from a rest or bench, buttstock, forestock....and now they advertise 100 yd. accuracy. They belong in rifle season.
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    I have always been in the "only for medical reasons" crowd as far as crossbows in regular archery seasons goes, but the first time I went to hog hunt S. GA with a crossbow I wanted to wrap it around a tree. They are cumbersome, heavy and noisy. A short ATA bow strapped sideways on a rifle is not a pleasure to carry anywhere.

    After that I couldn't care less anymore. Those physically fit to do so will most likely prefer a compound after a few days afield with a crossbow anyway... Good luck to all out there, and glad to hear the OP got after it. You only need approval from you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAbearclaw View Post
    I have always been in the "only for medical reasons" crowd as far as crossbows in regular archery seasons goes, but the first time I went to hog hunt S. GA with a crossbow I wanted to wrap it around a tree. They are cumbersome, heavy and noisy. A short ATA bow strapped sideways on a rifle is not a pleasure to carry anywhere.

    After that I couldn't care less anymore. Those physically fit to do so will most likely prefer a compound after a few days afield with a crossbow anyway... Good luck to all out there, and glad to hear the OP got after it. You only need approval from you!

    I have been a handicap archer for about 4 years. I had the paperwork from the state a lot longer than that but didn't really want to go to a crossbow. At first my archery buddies all thought of it as cheating. 5-6 of those guys have had the chance to shoot my crossbow at the range or in camp and not one of them would trade their compound for my crossbow. They all hate shooting it. They are heavy, they are awkward, they are noisy and so on and so on. My arrows (bolts) drop like a rock after about 50 yards. Most of my hunting buddies have 70 yard pins in their compounds. 70 yards for me is way out of the question. I shoot an Excalibur and if you listen to most Excalibur shooters 40 yards is about the limit. I know you see advertisements with guys shooting way further than that but I see good compound bow guys shooting targets at over a 100 yards too. For hunting we all know that is not practical or ethical. I have hunted 4 seasons with my crossbow and taken one buck. I have missed high as well as low because I didn't get the yardage correct or because I just screwed up. It is not a gun. You have to get within range and I thought getting in range was called hunting so I still have to "hunt" like any other archer. True I may already be at full draw but other than being at full draw and not having to hold full draw there isn't enough difference in hunting to matter. You however will never get a follow up shot if you miss and the buck just takes 3 steps and looks back at you. Ask me how I know that. Too slow to load and way too noisy.

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    I have a CO Dr's permit for xbow during archery. Carrying and drawing a bow (trad, yes!! compound sorta) would be much better than toting my 7# xbow. My effective range is 50ish yards w open sights, I can use a 1x red dot on it this year, I don't expect anything approaching 100 yd accuracy. Maybe 60.

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    I'd have at least 5 more big bulls on the wall if I didn't have to draw my bow.
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    I knew a guy that was missing his right arm at the shoulder. He shot a longbow by drawing with a leather tab and his teeth. He shot as much game as most able body archers. I sure he would have been happy to have a sore right shoulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Traveler1 View Post
    Well it has happened. I am curious if there are other archery hunters here that have finally reached this point and what did you do?
    I admit for years I have looked down on crossbows as not really archery, kind of how many long bow hunters feel about compounds (I'm on my 5th compound bow) Archery season and September Elk woods are irreplaceable,
    Two years ago in the Spring I couldn't draw my 70# bow set at 60# though 4 months prior I was pulling 65#. I replaced it with a 60# for a Arizona Elk hunt that year (10 year wait) and shot my elk pulling 55# (a nearly $1800 dollar bow investment when all was said and done). No pass through, though he only went 20 yards before bedding down.
    Now I am unable pull 50# and have a Wyoming Elk tag in hand (minimum weight 50#) and of course my Montana Elk tag. Went to the Orthopedist, bone on bone both shoulders and I am a candidate for two shoulder replacements, Just like That!
    Bought a Excalibur crossbow for this hunt and relieved this tag will get hunted (another 10 year wait for this one).
    Not sure what next year will hold as I am going to try to rehab my shoulders this winter but they are not optimistic I can.
    Busy with Wyoming so I'm OK I didn't make the Montana opener today.
    My shoulders are the same as your's WT, I can't draw my compound. Bone on bone in both, plus arthritis.

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    I am with pointingdogsrule. They get kids in the field when weather is better and dont have the craziness of gun season. Also it has kept my dad hunting. Before voting against them I would say try a hunt with one first. Still need to have woodsman skills and hunting skills of when to move and when not. My son has shot one deer and this past season got lots lessons on what not to do with crossbow as far as movement.

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    Crossbows are older than firearms with them being first invented in 500 BC in Europe and China. Modern Crossbows should be used during muzzle loader season as a compromise for able bodied hunters and as a tool for disabled, youth, and senior during the archery. I think there is nothing unethical with a crossbow as long as the hunter knows how to use it and it is sufficient power to penetrate the animal.

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    I don't see the advantage to crossbows for western hunting. I have both here in Missouri and it is legal. I bought the crossbow because my wife hunts a few times a year and I will use it if I need to hunt from the ground.

    In a tree stand the crossbow is more difficult to shoot to the left and right unless you have a fancy tree stand. Trekking that thing around is awful and offers me no more confidence in shooting. If crossbows help new hunters get into the sport (Increases public land support & Conservation $) and helps less serious hunters (Who would hunt regardless) make more ethical shots, I see no issues with it.

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    I will stop archery hunting before I use a crossbow.

    If I become disabled ill get out of archery hunting.

    They dont belong in any archery season.

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    If you want to use a crossbow and can legally do so, be my guest.

    I was going to post a rant here, but made its own thread: https://onyourownadventures.com/hunt...80#post2721180

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    The Pope and Young Club was founded to promote bowhunting and to record for posterity the outstanding examples of North American big game animals taken solely with the hunting bow.

    For the purpose of the Pope and Young Club, a bow shall be defined as a longbow, recurve bow or compound bow that is hand-held and hand-drawn, and that has no mechanical device to enable the hunter to lock the bow at full or partial draw. Other than the energy stored by the drawn bow, no device to propel the arrow will be permitted.

    Consequently, the Pope and Young Club does not consider the crossbow to be a hunting bow and will not accept any trophies collected by crossbow hunters. Further, the Pope and Young Club considers the use of crossbows during bowhunting seasons to be a serious threat to the future of bowhunting.

    The Pope and Young Club therefore recommends the crossbow should not be considered for use in any bowhunting only season. Also, the Club strongly recommends that crossbow hunting be abolished from all existing bowhunting only seasons. We encourage all states and provinces which desire to allow use of crossbows for hunting big game, to require mandatory crossbow specific education, licensing, seasons and reporting requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallardsx2 View Post
    The Pope and Young Club was founded to promote bowhunting and to record for posterity the outstanding examples of North American big game animals taken solely with the hunting bow.

    For the purpose of the Pope and Young Club, a bow shall be defined as a longbow, recurve bow or compound bow that is hand-held and hand-drawn, and that has no mechanical device to enable the hunter to lock the bow at full or partial draw. Other than the energy stored by the drawn bow, no device to propel the arrow will be permitted.

    Consequently, the Pope and Young Club does not consider the crossbow to be a hunting bow and will not accept any trophies collected by crossbow hunters. Further, the Pope and Young Club considers the use of crossbows during bowhunting seasons to be a serious threat to the future of bowhunting.

    The Pope and Young Club therefore recommends the crossbow should not be considered for use in any bowhunting only season. Also, the Club strongly recommends that crossbow hunting be abolished from all existing bowhunting only seasons. We encourage all states and provinces which desire to allow use of crossbows for hunting big game, to require mandatory crossbow specific education, licensing, seasons and reporting requirements.
    Most folks I know, could care less about entering a trophy in the Pope and Young record books. This is an issue that has been beat to death on hunting forums all across the country. It usually ends with banned members and locked threads.

    It seems to me that most of the negativity around crossbows is based on fear of increased harvest and more competition. This seems like silly divisive nonsense.

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