Meet the nation’s most endangered monuments

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Big write up in today's Washington Post, listing and discussing the most endangered National Monuments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/meet-the-nations-most-endangered-monuments/2017/08/22/85de9ea8-8432-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_monuments-550pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d1dd934b356d

They are:

Basin and Range
Bears Ears
Carrizo Plain
Cascade-Siskiyou
Gold Butte
Grand Staircase-Escalante
Katahdin Woods and Waters
Mojave Trails
Northeast Canyons and Seamounts
Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks
Pacific Marine National Monuments
Papahanaumokuakea

So does anyone still think that Zinke is looking out for you, the outdoorsman?

Zinke is a poser, a Washington suit who buys his cowboy hats from Neiman Marcus and rents his painted horse from Disney.

Start taking action, call your Congressional representatives, give money to the cause, get loud and attend a protest.

Above all, don't remain silent and don't believe for a moment that Zinke and his lot are going to do anything for you. They are not.

Every decision he makes along with any smoke screens he puts up are for one thing - putting money in the pockets of the Extraction Industry fat cats.

Now is the time for action.....before it is too late.

Cheers,

Mark
 
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Funny Washington Post owned by Bezos who is continuing to destroy American retailers with Amazon. Mega capitalist destroys retailer and supply chains. Americans are left with $14 jobs pushing carts around Amazon fulfillment center or driving a delivery truck at least until a drone replaces that job.

You don't even recognize the corporate wizard behind the liberal bias of the Washington Post.

Troy
 
So Daddy,

I guess you are more worried about "Liberal Bias" than protecting YOUR Public Lands. More "Fake News" right?

Your response is a crystal example of how the Zinke lot gets sportsman, hunters and fishermen to vote against their own interest.

Ooooh the evil Washington Post, I better not look at the facts.... Beszos!......Liberal!.....Obama!......Area 51 !.........Chemtails!.......

What I do recognize is I don't give a rat's behind about your political views. What I care about is that we protect OUR Public Lands.

Please don't try and lecture me, you don't know anything about me and if you have nothing positive to offer to the fight for Public Lands, skip it.

If you really are having a Tin Foil hat day, how about heading over to Breitbart to post and leave this forum alone.

Cheers,

Mark
 
Of interest is Zinke has not made any recommendation concerning his own state of Montana.

However he is more than happy to try to slam California with recommendations on three Monuments.

Zinke is not only the antitheses of TR, he is a black knight in the vengeance of the current administration against states that did not support DJT.

The good news is those states also have some pretty serious legal teams and millions of "foot soldiers" who will be do what ever it takes to block Zinke and his DC suits from mucking with our National Monuments.

Cheers,

Mark
 
dukes_daddy said:
Funny Washington Post owned by Bezos who is continuing to destroy American retailers with Amazon. Mega capitalist destroys retailer and supply chains. Americans are left with $14 jobs pushing carts around Amazon fulfillment center or driving a delivery truck at least until a drone replaces that job.

You don't even recognize the corporate wizard behind the liberal bias of the Washington Post.

Troy
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What does this have to do with anything? You don't like the media source so you go on some rant about your own bias political views? Guess what Troy, your political views are no more or less bias than some reporter on CNN. Just because your bias in the other direction doesn't mean you're right and they're "fake". All news is bias, there's not a source that isn't. How about instead of going on this political rant that does no good you add some substance to the conversation and do what you can to protect the wildlife and wild landscapes in America that we all enjoy.
 
More chicken little rhetoric from the Washington comPost. Didn't Zinke say no major changes were coming to any of the national monuments under review?

I thought that was stated when he compromised on the NM ranch turned wilderness area overnight for all the chicken little. But ya he's sooo evil....boohoo what will we do when he steals it all and gives it to the Wilkes...boo hoo
 
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mfb99 said:
Big write up in today's Washington Post, listing and discussing the most endangered National Monuments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/meet-the-nations-most-endangered-monuments/2017/08/22/85de9ea8-8432-11e7-b359-15a3617c767b_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_monuments-550pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.d1dd934b356d

They are:

Basin and Range
Bears Ears
Carrizo Plain
Cascade-Siskiyou
Gold Butte
Grand Staircase-Escalante
Katahdin Woods and Waters
Mojave Trails
Northeast Canyons and Seamounts
Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks
Pacific Marine National Monuments
Papahanaumokuakea

So does anyone still think that Zinke is looking out for you, the outdoorsman?

Zinke is a poser, a Washington suit who buys his cowboy hats from Neiman Marcus and rents his painted horse from Disney.

Start taking action, call your Congressional representatives, give money to the cause, get loud and attend a protest.

Above all, don't remain silent and don't believe for a moment that Zinke and his lot are going to do anything for you. They are not.

Every decision he makes along with any smoke screens he puts up are for one thing - putting money in the pockets of the Extraction Industry fat cats.

Now is the time for action.....before it is too late.

Cheers,

Mark
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Hey Mark.

Can you do us a favor. For every leftist agitator post you put up, can you post one about hunting? Thanks.
 
Oneye, Good point. Join credible conservation and sportsman organizations which are able to collaborate with locals and other public land users. Organizations which focus on habitat, access and land management; RMEF, Nature Conservancy, SFW, PF, TU. Avoid protest and opposition groups they don't build relationships. Troy
 
dukes_daddy said:
Oneye, Good point. Join credible conservation and sportsman organizations which are able to collaborate with locals and other public land users. Organizations which focus on habitat, access and land management; RMEF, Nature Conservancy, SFW, PF, TU. Avoid protest and opposition groups they don't build relationships. Troy
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I PMd you dukes
 
BigHornRam said:
Hey Mark.

Can you do us a favor. For every leftist agitator post you put up, can you post one about hunting? Thanks.
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Mark, keep posting. Incredible that some here perceive advocacy for public lands as "left wing agitation." It suggests they have a far opposite orientation. Also that they have noting to add to the debate besides sticks and stones.

Without public lands, the North American conservation model and public hunting in America collapse. No more On Your Own hunting.
 
elkduds said:
Mark, keep posting. Incredible that some here perceive advocacy for public lands as "left wing agitation." It suggests they have a far opposite orientation. Also that they have noting to add to the debate besides sticks and stones.

Without public lands, the North American conservation model and public hunting in America collapse. No more On Your Own hunting.
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Advocacy is one thing. I think we all appreciate advocacy for public lands. Hysteria and vitriol are completely different.

If I posted some garbage from a biased rag about gun rights being stolen (based on non-facts) I would be lambasted and called a kook by many here. Yet those same folks froth at the mouth when they read a biased rag's article on public land thievery that's based on nothing but "maybes" and "could happens".

Do you see the irony?

I don't want to see any public land done away with or sold. However I also don't believe there is any legitimate efforts currently being enacted to do that, unlike what the article would have you believe. I wonder, if some of these National Monuments were decreased in size, what happens to the redacted land? Is it gifted to private parties? Or does it simply become BLM or FS land again and just loses the NM designation? I haven't really seen that discussed or clarified.
 
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BigHornRam said:
Hey Mark.

Can you do us a favor. For every leftist agitator post you put up, can you post one about hunting? Thanks.
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If you don't have anything constructive to add, please refrain from posting. Thanks. Also, about the only you seem to shoot, is your mouth, posting something about hunting would be nice from you as well.

Mark, keep up the good work. People need to be in contact with their representatives regardless of ones position on issues...and this is an important one.
 
I will continue to contact & support my Senators who are pro public lands & as for my Congressman,he is a bought off jerk working for the extraction industry.He is retiring to run for Gov. of NM now & I will fight him here. He was against most of the new & old NM's.

I don't trust Zinke as far as I can throw him.

These Public Lands are all around me. Always have been. My avatar pic is with a Tule cow I took right next to the Carriza Plain NM & Los Padres NF. My land hits BLM on a corner,state lands past that.
I'm hunting in the Gila NF this year too.
"From my cold dead hands will you take our National Heritage of Public Lands"
 
JWP58 said:
Advocacy is one thing. I think we all appreciate advocacy for public lands. Hysteria and vitriol are completely different.

If I posted some garbage from a biased rag about gun rights being stolen (based on non-facts) I would be lambasted and called a kook by many here. Yet those same folks froth at the mouth when they read a biased rag's article on public land thievery that's based on nothing but "maybes" and "could happens".

Do you see the irony?

I don't want to see any public land done away with or sold. However I also don't believe there is any legitimate efforts currently being enacted to do that, unlike what the article would have you believe. I wonder, if some of these National Monuments were decreased in size, what happens to the redacted land? Is it gifted to private parties? Or does it simply become BLM or FS land again and just loses the NM designation? I haven't really seen that discussed or clarified.
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In regards to the last part of this post; it would still be federal land, just with whatever designation it had prior to being included in area covered by the Monument designation. AFAIK, there'd be no change in ownership and management would have to continue under the plans that were in place for those lands prior to designation. If I am wrong, I'd like someone to show me. I get the rationale for defending monument designation, but much of the argument for that defense jumps to hyperbole pretty quickly...

elkduds- How is the North American Model not functioning in states with little public land? Me and my kids have plenty of "On Our Own Adventures" on private land as do millions of others. I think your provincialism is showing (see above). And yes, I am a big supporter of public lands and their management.
 
1_pointer said:
elkduds- How is the North American Model not functioning in states with little public land? Me and my kids have plenty of "On Our Own Adventures" on private land as do millions of others. I think your provincialism is showing (see above). And yes, I am a big supporter of public lands and their management.
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Since you asked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Model_of_Wildlife_Conservation

All of it decreases w loss of public lands. See especially item 2.7 Democracy of Hunting.

Who do you think is politically pushing Zinke's review of Monuments? Hint: it rhymes w PLT
http://www.hcn.org/articles/monuments-it-doesnt-make-sense-to-go-after-national-monuments
 
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elkduds said:
Mark, keep posting. Incredible that some here perceive advocacy for public lands as "left wing agitation." It suggests they have a far opposite orientation. Also that they have noting to add to the debate besides sticks and stones.

Without public lands, the North American conservation model and public hunting in America collapse. No more On Your Own hunting.
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Perhaps those on the right who frequent this forum are pissed off because they know they are cutting their own throats by continuing to support candidates who are hell bent on taking away our public lands.
We need to keep up the fight against those politicians to stop PLT.
 
elkduds said:
Since you asked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Model_of_Wildlife_Conservation

All of it decreases w loss of public lands. See especially item 2.7 Democracy of Hunting.

Who do you think is politically pushing Zinke's review of Monuments? Hint: it rhymes w PLT
http://www.hcn.org/articles/monuments-it-doesnt-make-sense-to-go-after-national-monuments
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I agree that it can be a tougher row to hoe, but in the end the North American Model has not collapsed in a whole lot of places for a whole lot of folks whom do not have access to much or any public, especially federally owned, land. I am a very ardent supporter of public lands, but you're fishing with red herring...
 
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