Corner Crossing Referendum Filed

Ben Lamb · Mar 27, 2017

Representative Tom Jacobson has filed HB 662, which is a corner crossing referendum.

It has been referred to House Judiciary and should have a hearing soon. If folks care about corner crossing, it'll be a good idea to show up in the building and support this effort.

teej89 · Mar 27, 2017

Oh man that's awesome! Anything the NRs can do to help support?

Frenchy · Mar 27, 2017

Cool. What are the odds this will actually pass. E-mails to my elected officials and the House Judiciary Committee.

Coyotes-R-Us · Mar 27, 2017

I hope it has a better reception then the last one, that went down...

MThuntr · Mar 27, 2017

teej89 said:
Oh man that's awesome! Anything the NRs can do to help support?

write to the committee and say that you hunt Montana and support corner crossing because it increases access and thus means more nonresident money spent in the state because you'll have more places to hunt.

BlakeA · Mar 27, 2017

This would be incredible if passed.

Addicting · Mar 27, 2017

http://leg.mt.gov/css/sessions/65th/legwebmessage.asp

I am a non resident and I left them a web message, I would love to see this pass.

You can leave them a web message on this. Just select the Judiciary committee at the bottom, type in the HB 662, then your message. It took me about 5 min from my desk.

BlakeA · Mar 27, 2017

Addicting said:
http://leg.mt.gov/css/sessions/65th/legwebmessage.asp

I am a non resident and I left them a web message, I would love to see this pass.

You can leave them a web message on this. Just select the Judiciary committee at the bottom, type in the HB 662, then your message. It took me about 5 min from my desk.

^^^This. Takes 5 minutes folks. Get typing

406LIFE · Mar 27, 2017

Emailed all on the committee.

theat · Mar 27, 2017

Message sent. I doubt it has much of a chance with the current make up of our legislature, but you never know.

whiskeydog · Mar 27, 2017

So am I reading it correctly in that it doesn't legalize corner crossing but rather puts it in the voters hands in the 2018 election?

pointingdogsrule · Mar 27, 2017

OK. First question. "(i) cause physical harm to a landowner's real or personal property". I can see a person that owns the two joining properties (at the corners) placing a very tall fence post and the fence 10 -12 feet up the pole. Seems it would be very hard to "corner cross" without damaging the fence (especially if you had to climb that fence). Bill seems like a good idea, however, there will always be people trying to stop "corner crossing". Maybe I am reading that bill incorrectly?

good luck to all
the dog

Straight Arrow · Mar 27, 2017

...it doesn't legalize corner crossing but rather puts it in the voters hands in the 2018 election?

Yes, if passed.

I can see a person that owns the two joining properties (at the corners) placing a very tall fence post and the fence 10 -12 feet up the pole.

Really? This is a proposal for a referendum, likely to get word-smithed and revised with legal considerations before even being seriously considered. 'No value in speculating how a landowner or someone corner crossing might possibly "game" the law. Let's just support consideration of sending it to the voter to decide in some form.

katqanna · Mar 27, 2017

pointingdogsrule said:
I can see a person that owns the two joining properties (at the corners) placing a very tall fence post and the fence 10 -12 feet up the pole.

Montana fencing laws - "Except as provided in subsections (2) and (7), a legal fence must be at least 42 inches but not more than 48 inches in height."

teamhoyt · Mar 27, 2017

Is this something that should be supported in this manner? I Like the idea for sure, but if it is voted on by the Public it is pretty likely that it won't pass imo. If it doesn't pass in that vote it would make it way more difficult for it to come up ever again wouldn't it?

Gerald Martin · Mar 27, 2017

teamhoyt said:
Is this something that should be supported in this manner? I Like the idea for sure, but if it is voted on by the Public it is pretty likely that it won't pass imo. If it doesn't pass in that vote it would make it way more difficult for it to come up ever again wouldn't it?

We'd know legally one way or the other instead of playing Roulette whether a sheriff wants to write a ticket and a prosecutor wants to prosecute and whether a jury would find you innocent or guilty. Haven't been too many volunteers to bear the cost of being the test case.

Addicting · Mar 27, 2017

Good thing I I've watched pole vaulting on TV. Clearing a 12' shouldn't be an issue. The landing on the other hand....

Schaaf · Mar 27, 2017

teamhoyt said:
Is this something that should be supported in this manner? I Like the idea for sure, but if it is voted on by the Public it is pretty likely that it won't pass imo. If it doesn't pass in that vote it would make it way more difficult for it to come up ever again wouldn't it?

Really? I've always held the opinion that if it were put to a statewide vote it would pass overwhelmingly.

teamhoyt · Mar 27, 2017

Schaaf said:
Really? I've always held the opinion that if it were put to a statewide vote it would pass overwhelmingly.

I Hope your right! I think land owners and those advocacy groups would lobby heavily against it, and the major of the voting public would be voting without knowing what was at stake

teamhoyt · Mar 27, 2017

Gerald Martin said:
We'd know legally one way or the other instead of playing Roulette whether a sheriff wants to write a ticket and a prosecutor wants to prosecute and whether a jury would find you innocent or guilty. Haven't been too many volunteers to bear the cost of being the test case.

I agree Gerald, we would know for sure. My thinking now is if the land isn't posted you'd be within the law.

I Figured there might probably be more forgiving ways to achieve the end goal. This particular one is awfully permanent if if goes the wrong way. Of course if it goes the right way....

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