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    Once you find your comfort zone, you won't need anybody else to validate it. Experience will tell you what to do. If somebody's asking the question, they probably don't have the experience and probably shouldn't be taking the shot. How does one get that experience? Well...There's a lot of good rules of thumb on this thread already.

    Why is this even an issue? Bow technology? Perhaps, but I believe that the main reason this is an issue is because we have the internet and social media and our egos. There is no requirement anywhere that we disclose the distances from which we shoot at animals, yet we all do. I always am curious and want to know how far somebody was, but does it detract from your story on social media or on here or wherever? Ignorance is bliss. Omitting details isn't lying in a situation like this. We're all here to learn from each other ultimately, so I guess one could argue that it's not our egos, but in the interest of full disclosure as a teachable moment that such details are disclosed. Either way, you've got to realize by now that if you're shooting at animals beyond 60 and feel the need to post it up, you're going to get some flak.

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    I remember not too many years ago, outdoor writers were trying to crucify Chuck Adams for advocating a 40 yard shot. Now we're talking about 100 yard shots. Too many variables like wind and animal moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkhnter View Post
    I remember not too many years ago, outdoor writers were trying to crucify Chuck Adams for advocating a 40 yard shot. Now we're talking about 100 yard shots. Too many variables like wind and animal moving.
    I remember when 100 yards was pushing it with a muzzleloader but now they can shoot well past that... Now an arrow at 100? Seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idahoarcheryhunter View Post
    I remember when 100 yards was pushing it with a muzzleloader but now they can shoot well past that... Now an arrow at 100? Seriously
    It really is crazy I was out last season ringing an 8" gong at 200yards with no problem at all with my cousin's new muzz. I can do that no prob with my old muzz out to 150, but after that it is a wild guess where it will hit. He has since started shooting 300 yards with it. granted those are sationary steel targets, but it still amazes me.

    On the 100yard bow shot I don't have to worry about it. I practice 75 yards, my furthest kill was 52 yards and the doe ducked the arrow enough to get spine shot. 40 yards is my max for a deer. It blew me away when she ducked that far that fast.

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    F no!

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    I have a 2 step little formula for hunting ethics that I tend to hang my decisions on:

    1. Is it legal? If the answer is no, then don't proceed. If the answer is yes then...
    2. Will my conscience bother me after this? If the answer to this is yes, then do not proceed.

    Another one is: How would I feel about this if one of my kids did it?

    So anyway, 100 yard shot with a bow? For me, the answer is a clear no. There are folks out there that can shoot 100 yards all day long under controled conditions, but yeah, like others have said, there are way too many variables in any hunting situation to think 100 yards is a good idea in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkhnter View Post
    I remember not too many years ago, outdoor writers were trying to crucify Chuck Adams for advocating a 40 yard shot. Now we're talking about 100 yard shots. Too many variables like wind and animal moving.
    This.

    I remember Chuck getting crucified over that too. Funny how times change. I really dislike the direction bow hunting has largely gone. Seems like 25 years ago the prevailing philosophy was that if you aren't sure you can make the shot, you should pass. Now it's more like, how do you know you can't make the shot unless you try it.

    My longest shot on an animal was a cow elk at 54 yards. I knew exactly the distance and practiced regularly at 60, she was down quickly but I still didn't make a perfect lung shot on her and probably wouldn't do that again. There was more wind than I estimated and my arrow hit a little forward - still clipped an artery and she bled out in about 20 minutes, but it easily could have been a lost elk. I don't want that.

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    Unfortunately we often times find out our limits by making that "bad" shot. The animal many times ends up wounded and dying. While these experiences suck it's at these moments I believe that shape us into who we are as hunters. I've taken a shot with my bow that didn't work out. It was a frontal shot at super close range. The bull ran off and I never found it. I felt horrible and knew it wasn't the "text book" shot we learn about. Because of that I won't take that shot again. I had a friend take the same shot and I witnessed the bull take the hit and die. I know it can work but it has some risks. I'm not confident anymore personally. To each their own. I know some guys that are ringers with a bow and their range is way farther than mine. I guess until they have one of these moments I can't and won't judge them. Same goes for rifle shots. Hopefully though the ding bats that consistently wound animals will take a self assessment and stop the nonsense.
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    My longest shot registered 55.5 on my rangefinder and was definitely pushing the edge of my comfort zone. It was the bull in my avatar.
    Wind was calm, he had no idea I was there, but definitely wasn't getting any closer. The cow he was on was going to be moving off, and the cow, calf and spike at 15 yards from me, knew something was up. It was a 'now or never' moment.

    Although I wanted it closer, I had no doubt I could make that shot under those circumstances. I double lunged him and he didn't make it 30 yards. I couldn't imagine almost doubling that distance at a live animal, but I am also not going to place my limitations on others, as I know there are many others that coudn't have made that shot, and I hope wouldn't place their limitation on me.

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    One thing I have found, bowhunters will talk about the long shot that hit and killed. You never hear about the long shot that hit and wounded.

    The wounding loss difference between short and long range archery cannot be denied.
    Last edited by tjones; 04-23-2017 at 03:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjones View Post
    One thing I have found, bowhunters will talk about the long shot that hit and killed. You never hear about the long shot that hit and wounded.

    The wounding loss difference between short and long range archery cannot be denied.
    Bingo! Too many things can happen between the time when the arrow leaves the bow to when it reaches the spot where the animal is supposed to be standing perfectly stiil.
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    My son once made a great statement about golf witch applys here nicely ,he said "the diffence between a good player and a bad one is a bad player remembers his best shot and a good one remembers his worst " things that make you go hmmmm

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    Only as a follow up to a first hit under the proper circumstances.

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    Absolutely unethical in a hunting situation.

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