Colorado Draw Changes

[rebjfan]

^ Makes sense. I guess all I’m saying is it can be playing a dangerous game. Between winters, draw system and management changes I’m really trying to adapt a “burn em if you got em” mentality.

My wife dropped double the points required last year on a deer tag and I felt pretty silly punching in that hunt code knowing we could be on round #2 of that same hunt.

If CO continues down the same path we have been on with deer it’s a serious gut punch for guys who have built 20+ deer points. You could have had the same quality hunt with one/two points in 2005 as your getting with your 20 (non-res) points right now.

I was drawn a nr archery elk hunt in unit 76 in 2001 with 4pp, it will probably take close to 20 pp to draw this year for the same hunt.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I’ve been hunting a unit that NR’s can draw with zero points every single year, and it still goes to the secondary draw. I guess residents needed even more tags that they don’t even want in the first place.

I’m curious about what hunt code you’re speaking of. No need to publicly announce it. That would indeed destroy it forever.
However, if you’re referring to OTC archery, I will speak about unit 75, 751. The reason that those tags are not taken by residents is because we have seen the decline in Elk and the quota they put on that combined Hunt code is too high and ludicrous anyway. It hasn’t solved the raghorn issue and its still super crowded with the “limited” quota they have available. Therefore the extra tags we don’t take spill over to NR in the primary draw (75% in some combined limited archery hunts in the SW). I can say that nobody I know here hunts our own backyard anymore because it’s ridiculous to do so. Call it taking things for granted, but we’re also really busy burning the hell out of our points in other units before it all hits the fan.
We have beat Up the return tag and play the leftover/returned day list argument until it’s now bloody. But someone like me doesn’t have fast enough Internet, or a bot to get the tags I want…
So does that mean the plan works? Is this really the objective of offsetting pressure?
Burn and never look back.
Luckily, I’m in some very good point pools in other states, so now I can concentrate on those and hopefully leave/move from this state for another one. It’s getting a little too weird around here.
But, the longer I stay here the more my house is gonna be worth to some dumbass, who thinks Colorado actually still has wilderness left.

 

[ImBillT]

I’m curious about what hunt code you’re speaking of. No need to publicly announce it. That would indeed destroy it forever.
However, if you’re referring to OTC archery, I will speak about unit 75, 751. The reason that those tags are not taken by residents is because we have seen the decline in Elk and the quota they put on that combined Hunt code is too high and ludicrous anyway. It hasn’t solved the raghorn issue and its still super crowded with the “limited” quota they have available. Therefore the extra tags we don’t take spill over to NR in the primary draw (75% in some combined limited archery hunts in the SW). I can say that nobody I know here hunts our own backyard anymore because it’s ridiculous to do so. Call it taking things for granted, but we’re also really busy burning the hell out of our points in other units before it all hits the fan.
We have beat Up the return tag and play the leftover/returned day list argument until it’s now bloody. But someone like me doesn’t have fast enough Internet, or a bot to get the tags I want…
So does that mean the plan works? Is this really the objective of offsetting pressure?
Burn and never look back.
Luckily, I’m in some very good point pools in other states, so now I can concentrate on those and hopefully leave/move from this state for another one. It’s getting a little too weird around here.
But, the longer I stay here the more my house is gonna be worth to some dumbass, who thinks Colorado actually still has wilderness left.

It’s a draw hunt, and some of the resident tags appear to spill into the NR quota as second choice, but it appears that whatever makes it to the secondary draw gets snapped up by youth. I have run into multiple groups of youths being escorted by parents and grandparents who have told me that they hunt OTC, but put their kids in for first season because the kids can still hunt OTC during 2nd and 3rd rifle if they don’t fill their tag.

And by all means, let the youths extend their season like that. They probably hunt almost exclusively on weekends and maybe evenings due to school. That’s fine. My issue is with cutting the non-resident draw quota in a unit that residents prefer to hunt OTC and don’t currently use the resident quota, causing extra tags to spill into the secondary draw.

 

[marksjeep]

I’ve been hunting a unit that NR’s can draw with zero points every single year, and it still goes to the secondary draw. I guess residents needed even more tags that they don’t even want in the first place.

Honestly this didn’t need to be accross the board. They just needed to add units to the list that already gave residents a higher percentage of tags.

What extra sucks is that the secondary draw goes entirely to youth, and the locals that don’t want this tag, do want the tag for youths because a first season eaither sex tag rolls ever to a 2nd and 3rd season bull tag if a youth holds it, so they can add a week to their kid’s OTC season by picking this up in the secondary draw and still get their kid a point.

Clarification on the youth extended seasons. Youth can not hunt bulls during an extended season, it's cow only. From here,

• To participate in the extended season, youth must first draw a limited license for: antlerless deer, or antlerless or either-sex elk or pronghorn. If the original license remains unfilled when the season ends, then the youth can hunt the same species during the extended season after they convert their original license to a female (antlerless) license.

 

[ImBillT]

Clarification on the youth extended seasons. Youth can not hunt bulls during an extended season, it's cow only. From here,

• To participate in the extended season, youth must first draw a limited license for: antlerless deer, or antlerless or either-sex elk or pronghorn. If the original license remains unfilled when the season ends, then the youth can hunt the same species during the extended season after they convert their original license to a female (antlerless) license.

Thank you for the correction.

I wonder if it changed, or if I was simply bassackwards on that.

Either way, that unit is likely to have a lot more tags make it to the secondary draw.

 

[Smtn10pt]

I was drawn a nr archery elk hunt in unit 76 in 2001 with 4pp, it will probably take close to 20 pp to draw this year for the same hunt.

Ive been chasing that hunt since 2005. I was in the 5% pool last year. Afraid I might not even be in the game this year.

 

[rebjfan]

Ive been chasing that hunt since 2005. I was in the 5% pool last year. Afraid I might not even be in the game this year.

I made that hunt again in 2020 I think with 14 or 15 pp, I don’t remember exactly what year or the pp it took to draw. I must have found the worst outfitter in Colorado for the drop camp hunt. It was a hunt to forget.

 

[Smtn10pt]

I made that hunt again in 2020 I think with 14 or 15 pp, I don’t remember exactly what year or the pp it took to draw. I must have found the worst outfitter in Colorado for the drop camp hunt. It was a hunt to forget.

Man thats heart breaking. Sorry about your hunt. Who did you go with?

 

[Ckleeves]

It’s a draw hunt, and some of the resident tags appear to spill into the NR quota as second choice, but it appears that whatever makes it to the secondary draw gets snapped up by youth. I have run into multiple groups of youths being escorted by parents and grandparents who have told me that they hunt OTC, but put their kids in for first season because the kids can still hunt OTC during 2nd and 3rd rifle if they don’t fill their tag.

And by all means, let the youths extend their season like that. They probably hunt almost exclusively on weekends and maybe evenings due to school. That’s fine. My issue is with cutting the non-resident draw quota in a unit that residents prefer to hunt OTC and don’t currently use the resident quota, causing extra tags to spill into the secondary

Non-res end up with WAY more than the “quota” all the time.

 

[Mountain Man]

I always wonder who those people are that come in for significantly more points than required. Burning 7 NR points on a tag that had a 24% chance to be drawn as a second choice just hurts to witness.

 

[JohnCushman]

I always wonder who those people are that come in for significantly more points than required. Burning 7 NR points on a tag that had a 24% chance to be drawn as a second choice just hurts to witness.

That's why we need to go back to point banking

 

[MtnElk]

That's why we need to go back to point banking

 

[Mountain Man]

That's why we need to go back to point banking

I don’t share that same view. If people don’t pay close enough attention then they need to deal with the consequences.

 

[elkmo]

I don’t share that same view. If people don’t pay close enough attention then they need to deal with the consequences.

Agree. Anything to reduce point creep. Already spoon feeding the masses where and how to apply, everyone gets worked up about mentioning a unit but then turn around and bash a turd unit freely if someone asks…I will never understand the logic.

 

[Khunter]

I made that hunt again in 2020 I think with 14 or 15 pp, I don’t remember exactly what year or the pp it took to draw. I must have found the worst outfitter in Colorado for the drop camp hunt. It was a hunt to forget.

bummer. I hunted it archery in 2021 an d 2017 and 2018 and it was great. no outfitter needed.

 

[Blackcats06]

That's why we need to go back to point banking

Hell no. There no way that won’t make creep worse. Colorado tried it once and if it worked they wouldn’t have gotten rid of it.

 

[CoHunter1991]

Point banking would be terrible for Colorado and point creep.

 

[Deleted member 52847]

Is anyone aware what happened to the YouTube stream of the draw process working group today?

There's only just over an hour of mtg and the mtd was supposed to be an all day.

Tuned in early this a.m. and then came back to just over an hr left. Did the stream break off?

 

[marksjeep]

No idea, but same here. I started part 1 after lunch. Got about an hour in, and had to break off. Upon return they had just started part 2, and part 1 is now gone.

 

[Deleted member 52847]

No idea, but same here. I started part 1 after lunch. Got about an hour in, and had to break off. Upon return they had just started part 2, and part 1 is now gone.

Tech issues probably

Edit this a.m. the full mtg is up